I think they're giving up on us

[Dextra]

You know, I'm kinda disappointed in my local "religious community". Y'see, Mairwen, another friend, and I held a counter-protest last weekend against a Christian group that was protesting a video store because they rented porn. We were both kind of disappointed that none of them tried to "save us"!

So I was just wondering... how do you all deal with these lovely people who come to your door and try to teach you the "error of your ways? Just wondering because I'm always trying to come up with new and creative ways to let them know I'm not interested.

[Yvonne Belisle]

If you will take note of the icon under my name I keep one in my living room.:) I've also been known to say that I'd be happy to talk about their god after we've talked about my gods. I also once scared one off with my dog at the time I had a great dane. As I was opening the door I said "back Satan you've already eaten someone this week" I didn't know a woman in heels could go down stairs backwards that fast! My ex has been known to shout "the sacrifices are here". You can also do something as simple as putting a sign on your door that says no prostulizing. Not as fun but it works. I'm sorry that is spelled wrong but spell check couldn't figure it out so I left it as is.

[Shatav]

Well, on a humorous note, a friend of mine had a special "Satanic Bible" made for him that was empty except for flash paper. When they came to his door trying to ask if he'd read their literature, he'd say, "sure, if you'll read mine." Then he'd open the book and to their horror it "lit on fire". Got rid of most of them quick and probably raised their laundry bill.

On a more serious note, personally I have invited them in, listened to their words, and sent them happily on their way. I think we have much to learn even from those who give us no credit. Yes, I've even been through all of the Mormon lessons, and actually, they're quite interesting from a purely academic standpoint. As long as they approach me in good faith and kindness, I return it.

Were however they to approach me and tell me I was going to hell right off the bat, I'd tell them I knew and wish them a good day. But I've never run into that situation.

[Mairwen]

Yeah, I was a bit disappointed that no one tired to convert us ~ or to even hand us any literature. And we were prepared! I mean, gosh-darn-it! I wanted to be saved and nobody even asked! :D

As for snappy come backs, my favorite when faced with, "Do you go to church?" is, "Yes, once a month when the Moon is full." :D

[Dextra]

Well, the last time I got a visitor of that sort, I was getting ready for a ritual and was dressed to the nines and looked pretty wicked I must say :D. But I had my ritual jewelry on and my big pentacle tatoo was in full view (on my arm). So when some Jehovah's Witnesses showed up, they didn't say anything except "Uh....." and just left. In a hurry. As they were headed down the stairs, they ran into my boyfriend at the time and I heard one of them say, "What kind of place IS this?!"
I don't think I stopped laughing for at least an hour!

[Dextra]

Originally posted by Mairwen


As for snappy come backs, my favorite when faced with, "Do you go to church?" is, "Yes, once a month when the Moon is full." :D

As the great George Carlin once said -
"All religious wars come down to this:
'Do you you believe in God?'
'No'
Boom! Dead.
'Do YOU believe in God?'
'Yes.'
"Do you believe in my God?'
'No.'
Boom! Dead.
'My God has a bigger d*** than your God!'
Isn't that about what they all boil down to?"

Or as the other great oracle Homer Simpson once said:
"Help me Jeebus!" :D

[Shatav]

Originally posted by Dextra


Or as the other great oracle Homer Simpson once said:
"Help me Jeebus!" :D

YES!!! *does a little happy dance*

That's one of my favorite little sayings between my hubby and me!

:D

[Mairwen]

Dextra, I knew there was a reason you and I get along so well! :D

[lynx]

I have not had any funny experiences with people that I like to relate to as "Bible Bashers". I know it's not nice to call or lable people, but I don't know what else to call them. Maybe blind in one eye and can't see out of the other? You decide.

Well, my experience with them was a little jolting. What am I saying, it was H***!

First of all, I was a disgrace for not being of their religion.

Second, my husband and son were no better.

Third, I don't pray right. COME ON, NOW PEOPLE!!

Fourth, I pray to a false god and false believes.

Fifth, I will burn in H*** for the sins of myself, my family, and friends. NOW THAT WAS THE LAST STRAW.

Sixth, my mother and father's believes were false as well as they too, would go to H*** if they didn't OBEY what these two gentlemen were saying.

Seventh, finally when asked what religion everyone was, they left rather quickly when I explained I was no religion and my father was a Roman Catholic. Now he is neither Catholic nor Mormon. He is like me, free.

We both have no lable of faith. We just have faith. That is being free.

Remember though, I only told them that my father was Roman Catholic when asked. They chose to leave so fast. So don't go around thinking that I meant if you say you are Roman Catholic that will get you out of the visits. Don't lie. You are who you are.

Clever thoughts,

Lynx

[bluecat]

Were these two a pair of Mormon Missionaries?

Interesting thing about Mormons. They have this thing called the "Articles of Faith" ..... there are 13 of them, here is NUMBER 11:

11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.


The rest can be seen at http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,00.html

Steve

[Twig]

I live in a large [608 unit] apt. complex and oh how they LOVE to come through here. When they walk up my stairs they are greeted with a nicely painted sign over my front door that says "PAGAN CLERGY".

If they knock , I just point up and politely and say no thank you. That is usually when they see my alter beside the front door,look up and realize that it is a TRUE sign[sic], and with a
"OKTHANKYOUHAVEANICEDAY" they are on their way. >:)
Peace,
Twig

[Witchbourne]

Originally posted by Dextra
You know, I'm kinda disappointed in my local "religious community". Y'see, Mairwen, another friend, and I held a counter-protest last weekend against a Christian group that was protesting a video store because they rented porn. We were both kind of disappointed that none of them tried to "save us"!

So I was just wondering... how do you all deal with these lovely people who come to your door and try to teach you the "error of your ways? Just wondering because I'm always trying to come up with new and creative ways to let them know I'm not interested.

I listen to them and then i tell
them about my way and lets them listen to it if they
want...and if they dont want to do that i say goodby to them
and tell them that theres nothing more we can talk
about....but honestly...sometimes i just say that im not
intrested in they faith and close the door...this i do when
they are not nice...some people are really assholes no
mather what believes...right??...

I think you should deal with them in the way you feel is right for you to deal with them since that is really the only true way you could deal with them...

Blessed be*

[Dagda Moon~Lily]

Yep, I've been through the whole Mormon conversion classes. I wasn't the one interested though, it was an ex. He invited them over all the time! ACK!! I really didn't want to be there, but sat and listened to them for hours....! ....the funny thing is, once he found out you had to be baptized (which he didn't mind) .....and that you can't knowingly sin after that.....he was no longer interested. .....two guesses why....?? we weren't married.....and pre-marital sex is a big no-no! It's not that he didn't want to get married....it was that he had married years and years ago when he was young....was with her for about 6-9 months....then they split up....and they just never filed for their divorce. I just thought it was too funny! So, he thought that religion just wasn't for him!

I've answered the door, saying "May the Goddess bless your path". I've also asked them to show me 'proof positive' that their god exists.....they find that a little difficult. A friend of mine got rid of them by telling them she was satanic and if they'd like to meet the one she worships. You could always ask them to participate in one of your rituals....they are so fond of asking you to come to theirs...I think it'd be an equal exchange. :)

Dagda

[Dextra]

Just to clarify, I am generally a nice person. To a fault, I've been told. If I get a Christian, JH, or whoever (I have yet to run into any Mormons, guess they're in short supply in Kentucky) come to my door, I usually just tell them that I am very devout in my own beliefs and thank them for their concern. However, I have thown myself into the public eye with my beliefs on more than one occasion. The first time I did this was when I got my first apartment. To cut a long story short, my "well meaning" grandmother showed up with the preist and other members of the church I attended as a child. I guess they were trying to have some sort of intervention to show me the error of my ways. I told them all if they didn't leave that I was going to call the police. (My grandmother had gotten a key from my landlord and let herself and the others in at 7 am!)

Another example is that my ex husband was what I call a "Sunday Christian". Meaning he could drink, cuss, fornicate, or whatever all week long and then get dressed up on Sunday, go to church and act respectable. What really got my goat is that he was totally fine with my beliefs....until we got married. Then all of a sudden he didn't want me to keep any of my magical tools in the house, no rituals, tried to get me to go to church (which I did a couple of times just to shut him up), blah, blah, blah.

The last straw was this: the pastor of the church my now-ex attended sent us a letter. The letter was to my ex, and it said that Jimmy needed to do one of two things: A) get rid of me, because I was going to "destroy his soul" and that I must have "bewitched him into getting him to marry me" or B) drag me kicking and screaming into church and MAKE me get baptized! This pastor had also said that since I had a Catholic background that Jimmy might want to enlist the help of a priest to perform an exorcism on me, seeing as how I MUST have been possessed.

Of course, looking back on it now, it's almost laughable, but at the time I wanted to rip somebody's head off with my bare hands! But now I jsut laugh about it. I even see that particular pastor from time to time around town. I just wave and smile, and give him a "Goddess bless you" if he's within earshot. It's never a dull moment being me, I can say that much!

[Dagda Moon~Lily]

ROFLMAO!! I could picture the whole thing! I just can't believe the audacity of some people!! I just love how they impose their beliefs on others! What ever happened to the freedom of choice and religion???!!

My best friend just had to come out of the closet to her mother and grandmother! They were talking xtian everything, tell her how it is and how it should be in her own home. She just came right out and said..."Back off Grandma! I have a thing or two to tell you!" She was very curt about it because they left her no choice....talking about her and her home like she wasn't there.....once she got that initial part out.....she calmed down some. Grandma left, and won't come back to her house because of her religious views. How niave. I try not to put down other religions. They aren't my own, so I don't have a leg to stand on. I don't defend my own, it's my own and personal and if you don't like it, I'm sorry. I don't force my beliefs on to others, or try not to. I just try to live in harmony. when it comes right down to it.....everyone is their own religion. IMHO, No two people share EXACTLY the same religion. Each person has their own beliefs, it's just that it 'generally' fits into a Label....ie: catholic, luthren, methodist, wiccan, hinduism, judaism, islamism. what ever you call it, it comes from your heart.

Dagda

[Armitage]

I have a very large and rather menacing-looking dog that doesn't like visitors. Never mind that she wouldn't hurt anything except leftover food....

[Mairwen]

Originally posted by Dextra
J (I have yet to run into any Mormons, guess they're in short supply in Kentucky)

Nope. They're the ones who come to the door ~ two men at a time ~ in white shirts, black slacks, black shoes, black ties, with nifty black backpacks. They're all over. I realized the other day that Mr thought Mormons and JW's were the same thing. *tsk tsk tsk* That's like calling a Wiccan and a Gwyddon the same thing. I think not

Thank the gods for living in a townhouse community. If I get a solicitor, all I have to do is pick up the phone and call the office or the safety officer ~ nobody is supposed to solicit here, see. After the call, they're tracked down and escorted off the property. *dusts hands*


(My grandmother had gotten a key from my landlord and let herself and the others in at 7 am!)

How'd she manage that?!


This pastor had also said that since I had a Catholic background that Jimmy might want to enlist the help of a priest to perform an exorcism on me, seeing as how I MUST have been possessed.

You know, if that wasn't so serious, it'd be funny. Poor misguided souls. ... *sigh*

[B][QUOTE]But now I jsut laugh about it.

"Someday I'll look back on all this and plow into a parked car." :D

[eaglewolf]

Originally posted by Mairwen
That's like calling a Wiccan and a Gwyddon the same thing. I think not

Here we go again... :rolleyes:

~ew

[Red Dragon]

Usually I just eat them!!! Hee,hee.

[lynx]

Just as I said before,

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!

Sometimes I wish you could just say....

Who are you to....Get the **** outta here....don't trip on your ego on the way out my door....Where do you get them cute little backpacks....You know, I just can't listen today....or, geeze, where's your guyses parents, I do hope they're coming to pick you up. Hate to see you blind ones out so late.. :D

But, what can I say...That would take all of their fun away. :P

Anyway, life goes on...

Lynx

[Dextra]

Originally posted by Mairwen






[B]

How'd she manage that?!

[B]



My landord was an old friend of the family and was in on it too.

[cybele]

Dextra,

I am always revoltingly nice to traveling religion salesmen/women. I usually ask too many questions and they cannot get out the door fast enough. ( "Good Jehovah woman!" "Don't you EVER shut up?!" " We don't KNOW!, Leave us alone!") I swear I found a big "passover" sign painted in blood over my door once when my visitors left.

My husband is a Jehovah's Witness, though he never did the door to door thing. Up until a few years ago he looked a lot like one of the guys from "Motley Crue" ( is that spelled correctly?). Might have something to do with it. He has sent me to answer the door when he knows it is J.W. knocking. I will not go into the implications of this.....

The best story I have heard of teasing salvation salesmen was when I was in collage. Some guys put on bathrobes with nothing under them. They invited the prophesy peddlers in and sat them opposite the sofa, which they sat on. In the middle of the "lesson plan", the guys casually put their feet up on the coffee table, with the robes falling open. The brave sin speakers could not concentrate.....looking into "the god-eyes" as it were. They left quickly and left no literature. My brother always gets a laugh out of telling that story..........

Sorry no one challenged you, you both must have had a gleem in you eye! Knowing Mari, she probably had more of a dagger than a "gleem"....

Nice to meet you,
cybele

[Yvonne Belisle]

One of my friends is a stripper she simply answered the door in her birthday suit and invited the good mormon boys in. Funny but when they could speak they excused themselves very quickly.

[Amora]

My favorite question to answer is by the Jehovah Witness' is "Wouldn't a world without war be nice?" I simply answer What?? Absolutely not, we need war! It's just God's way of killing some of the extras.. They usually leave after that.

Come to think of it I haven't seen any in awhile. I must be due. I'll have to try some of the other great ideas here!!

[Lilu]

I had a mormon duo turn up on my doorstep in Australia just before I left for America (literally, I was packing when they knocked on the door) - I kept them around because one of them was from America and I wanted to get used to the accent. LMAO I kept the bible they gave me simply because it had a great pic of Jesus in there :) but was conveniently "out of the house" when they came back to discuss it with them.

I haven't had any problems with stuff like that since. My grandmother is a very lonely woman, so she invites the JHs in just for company. :D We lived in Alabama for 8 months, and right next to a church. You'd have thought they'd be all over the place even though our apartment complex had a no soliciting policy. We usually got solicitors for vacuum cleansers over religion.

I do have one funny story though. One of our neighbours, also in the Air Force like my hubby, was into collecting guns. He had a whole room full of the things. He and a friend were sitting in the livingroom cleaning a few of them one day and some JHs came by, the door wasn't latched properly, and when they knocked on the door it just swung open to reveal our two friends sitting on the floor with a dozen or so guns lying around them. The JHs got out of there quick smart! Wish I'd have seen it with my own two eyes, I'd have died laughing.

lilu

[Niamh]

I always am nice when they come to the door... if I answer it! I loved some of your stories, though!
But, I do have to admit, they are hard to get rid of most of the time. If you tell them you're a witch that just makes them want you even more!

[Phoenix Myst]

I find that most religous people that come to my door feel that saving me is going to get them a free ride to heaven.
I once had a new Baptist Minister try to save my soul. He asked me" if I were to die today would my soul be prepared to meet our maker in heaven". Then I posed a question of my own which was " If you die tomorrow would there really be a heaven to go to?" He was still pondering this question as he walked back down the stairs without another word.
Myst

[Shatav]

Believe it or not, I actually went through all of their discussions. I found it very interesting. I personally feel that you never know where you might find some Truth, so be willing to listen, even if you don't agree with most of it. If nothing else, it's a learning experience and broadens your horizons on what you do and don't know.


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -- Aristotle

[BrightStar]

Hi all!
I'll usually talk with the Christians a bit.I just tell them I have a different take on spirituality than they do and thank them for their time.
The Mormons can be a trip.They showed me their book once,and since I try to learn something of all religions I asked them if I could have it to read.They gave me the book,telling me it told the story of the first Americans,before the Europeans.Being part Native American I was intrigued.They kept coming back day after day to find me,but I wasn't home.In the meantime I read the book.I came to the part that said all the 1st Americans had dark skin because of sin,and baptism made one lighter.Kind of riled me up.So when they finally caught up with me,they aked what I thought about the book of Mormon.I told them that frankly,I thought it was racist,saying people were dark because of sin.It really made one of them mad,he took a swing at me and his buddy had to restrain him.I did learn not to be so confrontational with people about their beliefs.Just saying,I have a different path usually is good enough.I kept the book,though.
The Baptists are always asking me where will you go when you die?I tell them it's a nice place to rest and think on what I've learned and what I will learn next time.It confuses them a bit.I do invite them in for tea or coffee and have a chat if they're willing.But in a frank discussion most of them get spooked.
Peace and Love
Rain BrightStar

[lynx]

I personally have two different kinds a bibles in my home. One is Lutheran, for which I was baptised and the other I'm not really sure. It's the King James version. I also have the Power for Living book and the Gospel of St. John. All these to me have stated by carefull examination to me, that all religions are correct.

All see one almighty being. Smaller gods, appausalls, desiples, ect... Creation of all living beings. Teachings and knowings. Reveiling truths of long lost tongues or languages. And hipocrisies. They all state that they are the only true tellers of faith.

That is one reason why I am neither Mormon, Lutheran, or other. I am me. (No label can be placed here.) Free.

Lynx :sunny:

[gunner]

Originally posted by bluecat
Were these two a pair of Mormon Missionaries?

Interesting thing about Mormons. They have this thing called the "Articles of Faith" ..... there are 13 of them, here is NUMBER 11:

11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.


The rest can be seen at http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,00.html

Steve

once you delete "almighty god" and add "and women" you have a pretty fair statement of my thoughts. also delete "privilege", in it's place put "right"

[bluecat]

Originally posted by gunner


once you delete "almighty god" and add "and women" you have a pretty fair statement of my thoughts. also delete "privilege", in it's place put "right"

True enough, and well said.

[gunner]

thank you bluecat, and a large glass of lemonade to you

[Wyrdsister]

I don't know what it is, but the little Mormon boys always come to my house on the hottest day of the summer when I'm wearing a tank top, short shorts, and usually a glistening layer of perspiration. So I answer the door and there they are in their white shirts and ties, ready to launch into their shpiel, and their jaws drop. Not trying to blow my own horn, but it usually takes them a few minutes to remember what they are there to do. :bigredgri

teehee!

Wyrdsister

[rantnraven]

Any pics? Or do I need to become Mormon and drop by this summer?

RnR *Perv ala Natural*

Especially liked the "glistening" part.

hehe

[bluecat]

Originally posted by Wyrdsister
I don't know what it is, but the little Mormon boys always come to my house on the hottest day of the summer when I'm wearing a tank top, short shorts, and usually a glistening layer of perspiration. So I answer the door and there they are in their white shirts and ties, ready to launch into their shpiel, and their jaws drop. Not trying to blow my own horn, but it usually takes them a few minutes to remember what they are there to do. :bigredgri

teehee!

Wyrdsister


Well, without trying to get myself in trouble, I would be inclined to enjoy the view. :cool:

What you may or may not know is those "boys" are supposed to be celibate and on that hot day when you have that nice layer of perspiration they are wearing what is known as "garments" underneath their clothing.

"Garments" are a one piece foundation that covers them practically from neck to knee and are worn by both men and women. Heh, I am actually committing some sort of transgression by telling you this. While I was trying to blend in I joined the church, went through the temple and was even married in the Salt Lake Temple. I just secretly practiced Craft. And I did not go on a "Mission", just couldn't bring myself to do that. Well needless to say they eventually discovered I was practicing the the Craft and they had no sense of humor :smash: about it. Oh, well, I was getting tired of hiding anyway. They kept it quite because if it were to be revealed they felt it would hurt their church. I just refused to go to the silly hearing that I knew was akin to a Kangaroo Court.

If you were to join the church and go through the temple you would be required to wear these every day for the rest of your life. You would not be wearing the tank top and short shorts any more, which would not really matter because you would have a baby at your hip and a toddler at your feet. You see, it's YOUR duty as a woman of the church to help bring as many children as you can into the world from the "pre-existance" and if you did not "service" your husband you could and would find yourself in counseling with the local Bishop, or worse. Heh, the Mormon church is definitely a Men's Club.

Well enough of that, sorry I got so long winded. But my dear you really DID cause those boys some problems and I am sure at least ONE cold shower in the near future. :crazy: :D :cool: ;) :bigredgri

[rantnraven]

If not a cold shower then, I'm pretty sure they took the matter at hand....Well....In hand.

RnR

[gunner]

Originally posted by rantnraven
If not a cold shower then, I'm pretty sure they took the matter at hand....Well....In hand.

RnR
i'm pretty sure that would be a sin too, dammed if they do, dammed if they don't, poor sods

[LaDaya]

Usually, when I run into someone wanted to "save my soul" I just tell them I believe in many gods and goddesses and one god just isn't enough.... By the time they come up with a reply for that I've already walked away... I don't really like to get into religious debates because usually no matter what you say they won't listen and I don't like confrontation if at all possible to avoid.

[reanna]

My friend opened the door to them completely naked!!!
They were so shocked, they have never been back... ever... they must of spread the word throughout, because it has now been about 10 years.
My dh made up a little sticker that he saw somewhere, reproduced a similar facsimile and placed it on our door.
It is something to the tune of NO visits by __________ please. Most of the time, we don't have any trouble.
On occasion, if they don't see it right away, I open the door and they will apologize. Works for me.

[bluecat]

Originally posted by reanna
My friend opened the door to them completely naked!!!
They were so shocked, they have never been back... ever... they must of spread the word throughout, because it has now been about 10 years.
My dh made up a little sticker that he saw somewhere, reproduced a similar facsimile and placed it on our door.
It is something to the tune of NO visits by __________ please. Most of the time, we don't have any trouble.
On occasion, if they don't see it right away, I open the door and they will apologize. Works for me.

Heh, I am certainly glad to see that several others, beside myself, have made such a greeting. It seems to be more common than I had previously thought and it has a wonderful lasting effect on would-be visitors trying to save our mortal souls ... or something of that nature.

Blue

[rantnraven]

Perhaps we should go to Utah and show up at their doors ...Skyclad.

Wadda ya think.

....And offer them lemonade.

LEMONADE FOR ALL, I SAY.

And a comfy chair, of course.

hehehe.

RnR

[Earth Walker]

:D I have never had a problem with Mormons,
but, girl-oh-girl, the Jehovah Witnesses are BAAAD!!!
I have answered the door sky clad...a perfect Kodak
moment....expressions priceless. :eek: 8O :bigredgri

[gunner]

i've got to agree there mystique, the jehovah's nuisances are a real pain in the tochus. the thing i find most annoying about them is their alleged belief that only 144,000 of the elect will make it to heaven, but everyone must convert to their belief before "the kingdom will come". of course evey last one of them is dead cert that they are one of the elect and you are dammed but you "must" convert to punch their ticket to the paradise you will never see. sorry, if that's the case i'm the hold out. ave mithras!

[bluecat]

I agree with gunner ... I don't like the idea of being "used" for someone to get what tanamounts to a lottery ticket to go to heaven.

Steve

[Lorelei]

My father inadvertantly came up with the best way to have these "travelling ones" spread the word to avoid your house about 20 years ago.
In their front yard is a well which needs to be opened to have the point cleaned every few years.This creates a hole of wet black mud and a hole about ten feet deep. Now my dad has always had a fear of dark places and it was mom's job to stand at the edge talking to him while he worked. But the phone rang and she went inside to answer it. About that time,the travellers got out of their car and started toward the house.
At the same time,the hole got the best of Dad. Scrambling up the unseen ladder,covered head to foot with dripping mud and cursing the way only a frightened ex-soldier can,out of the hole he came!
The travellers RAN back to thier car,squealed tires driving away and my folks have had 20 years with no visiters. Talk about passing the word! LOL

[gunner]

"cursing as only a frightened ex soldier can" 'cuse me lorelei, i'm very busy just now rolling on the deck laughing me silly arse orf. i'd love to have been there to see the faces, better still to have been there and be telepathic to "hear" the thoughts as their worst nightmare seemingly came to life before their eyes

[Lorelei]

I agree!!! Since that was the last time in 20 years anyone stopped by the house,can't you imagine the story that has been passed down??? ROFLOL!

[adrian]

I've always invited them into my home no matter who they were but i think the most halirious moment was when the mormons tried to convence me that the picture
of Jesus was "how he really looked" and another line
about " he actually looked like this". and i said....you mean white? and one of them said yes and smiled proudly and i said ok. We went into their bible and there was a passage that told the story of how the tribe
split and fought against each other and god turned one
side "black" in punishment for disobedience to his word.
I never knew that these people preached this, i had always thought them to be serious teachers of the word
in light until i checked them out for myself and when ever i go into town i see them talking to a lot of young blacks....very dangerious thing.
My experiences with the J.W. has been purely intellectual and i enjoyed taling with them and pointing out my reasons for embracing paganism, they don't come here any more...i miss the conversations.
Needless to say that i haven't had that trouble with pagans, no-one tries to convert me to their path on the contrary i find that most of us tend to want to understand somthing something about each others path

living in light, no longer taking flight,
i found my path, i'm free at last!