Does being a C-section baby effect your birthchart?

[Shatav]

Just curious, as I am a c-section baby. I've often found that my astrological correspondences are horribly inaccurate, and was wondering if this could have an impact.

[mol]

Oh YES! What a great question! My son was as well...of course, most of his astrological traits are right on.

Litha?

[Selenia]

yes, Litha, I'd be interested as well to here your view.

It's my understanding that the ancients believed the soul entered the body at the child's first cry, since any child that did not cry shortly after birth did not survive for very long after the birthing process.
Because of this, it is irrelevant how the child comes from the womb; what is documented is the moment of that first breath and this time would be just as accurate for a Cbaby as for anyone.

[Litha]

yup, that's the dilly, Selenia!
Although one schedules the date of delivery for a C-section, there is not absolute time it takes to accomplish this as it is major abdominal surgery ontop of being the venue for the transport of a living being through another !

[Shatav]

Kewl, thanks for the reply!

[Litha]

welcome (: anytime!

[Dextra]

I was wondering about this as well. My girls were C-babies, but they are also twins. They were born a little less than 2 minutes apart. I'm wondering......would this give them completely different charts? I got a chart for both of them from astrocenter.com just to see what the results would be, and they were identical. Of course, I don't see them as an authority on the subject, as their charts are computer generated.

Got any thoughts on that one Litha?

[Litha]

the computer generated charts very likely did not show the specific degree and minute for each plaents, so it might appear that each planet is in the same exact spot in both charts.
The possiblity of two people having the same exact chart can only occur is each child is born of a different mother in the same location birthing at the same moment and cannot be so in the case of twins.
I'm sure you've noticed the different personalities with your girls. Two minutes apart will change the degree and minutes of the faster moving, personal planets such as mercury, venus mars and saturn, so look to these to being the most shifted when looking at one chart and the other.
The changes will not be huge, but a degree shift is enough to move a planet from one sign into another or from one house into the next.

[Dextra]

That's what I thought. Even though I had the twins by C- section, it wasn't planned. It was a semi - emergency because their heart rates were dropping and they had to come out.

To give you the condensed version, they were in the same amniotic sac, which is a rare occurance. The doctors were concerned about thier umbilical cords becoming entangled. One twist or knot in the cords could have killed one or both of them, according to the doctors.

Anyway, after an already complication-filled pregnancy (a whole book unto itself), I had to have a c-section a week before I was going to have my labor induced. (I'd been in the early stages of labor for 3 weeks and nothing was happening.) When they got the girls out, they went to get the cords and found they were in a big ball of twists and knots!

The doctor that delivered them said that there is no way the girls should have lived past my fifth month. I simply told him that the Great Mother takes care of Her children, no matter how small. He said, "She must have been, because these kids have defied all medical logic."

Just my personal opinion, but I think those two have something about them that just screams special. ;)

[Litha]

I'd agree with you about their specialness. To begin life with more than the usual struggle of childbirth speaks to that, also that they were given each other to share their entire process of this lifetime as well.
I have no children of my own as yet, but my friend sent me something I have kept in preparation for that time:

Allow children to live their magic, observe them carefully, and you will be amazed at what they know, that which we have forgotten. Play with your children, not in a formalized "tiny tot tumblers" type of way, but
running through the fields with them searching out the Faeries in the flowers. Listening to the sounds of the ocean, and the words she speaks in the waves, watch the clouds drift overhead and be amazed at the
stories they tell. Play your life daily with your kids, they offer us a route over the threshold of magic, in a very special way.

They will indicate, if you listen, when they are ready for more. This will vary from child to child, but if you keep the lines of communication freely flowing then you will know. You can then bring in further activities and explanations, as they are ready.

Goodnight Sun

Each evening as the sun is setting (this is recommended only when the sun is setting because the sun can burn the retinas of the eyes when it is still in the sky) take your little one out to say goodnight to the Sun. At first a glance may be all you get, but then as your little one
evolves, they are quite taken with the colors of the early evening sky and with the idea that the sun goes to bed. As it helps promote natural awareness, it also can signal that the day is coming to a close and
bedtime is near.

Hello Moon

Go out each night and say - "Where's the moon?" Then point to the moon and say, "There She is, hello moon." Simple, yes, but powerful. It brings Her physical awareness to the little guy's (or gal's) mind. This
over time can involve into its nightly ritual.

Hello Tree

Pick a tree in yard or close by. Make sure to greet it every day. This will allow your child to have a personal relationship with the tree, and will also provoke them to watch it change season in and season out.
These changes best illustrate the Wheel of the Year than any discussion or book would.

Little explorers

Start in your own yard, you will be amazed at the amount of wonders there, then work your way through the neighborhood and other open spaces. Follow the seasons with observation and exploration. As they
get older and older this will take on different levels and become more and more intense. Guide them through observing the seasons and their changes. This gives children an ability to experience the seasonal
changes through all senses.

Winter into Spring

Find the first signs of winter's loosening grip. You will find just after Imbolc the first beginnings of Spring's return. Crocuses, tulips, Irises are among the first few who begin to emerge. How magical it is to see on the winter's snow beautiful purple crocuses. This is an
activity that can speed up to a daily activity as spring's return speeds up.
Pick the early flowers -
take in their beautiful colors, smells and textures. Candy flowers for cakes and desserts. Play in the dirt, plant a small garden - with quick blooming flowers (i.e. Cosmos) or herbs. Check out a local Maple house if you live in a Maple area, as February/March is maple
season.

Spring into Summer

Examine how the two seasons are different. What makes spring, spring and summer, summer? Get involved in the summer harvests, check your
local area's pick-your-own. Strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, freshly picked are so very sweet! Do not forget the sweet summer corn!
Get to the beach, into the tide pools - into the mountains to explore. When they are young keep time manageable for them, an over-exhausted child does nothing for one's peaceful enjoyment of the outdoors.

Summer into Fall

The big transition season's (Fall and Spring) offer much to observe. Watch local harvest, the big machines going across the fields and people out picking. Go apple, pear and peach picking - and bake goodies for the little guys. Observe and collect leaves - send a box of leaves to a friend or loved one.

Fall into Winter

Watch the leaves fall - collect them - notice the difference from the ones picked in early fall and now. Perhaps read "the Fall of Freddy the Leaf" by Leo Buscaglia. Watch how the earth falls into Her winter's
rest. Go sledding, walking, build snowmen and snow ladies. Make snow lanterns and put a candle in them. Bring snow indoors and watch what happens - then bring it back out again and see what happens overnight?

Reading

Of course, how dull the world would be without glorious books to take us on adventures. Books help keep the imagination vivid and lively. A book, is a keeper for all ages.

At this age I tend to go with books with Magical themes (faery, elves, magical adventures), Mother and Father themes (unconditional love - not only does it reinforce our roles & love but also the never-ending Love
of the Goddess and God), natural themes (stars, moon, trees, nature and animals), and those that embody that we are born wonderful, special and perfect as is. At this age books should gently remind and guide a child
with messages we find important for them. Continue providing books
throughout their lives, they are wonderful gifts forever!

3 - 5/6 (beginning of first grade)

Goodnight Sun, Hello Moon, hello tree

Continue this practice after sometime they will continue it without your
prompting. It will continue to promote awareness of the natural cycles.

Little navigators

A continuation of the Little Explorer theme, except now you can allow them to become the captain of your expedition. This is the age where they will want to delve deeper into various adventures. If you allow
them to lead the way, it becomes a grand expedition.

This is the age when my husband and daughter had an "adventure place" and on their "dates" (when she was little, Sunday afternoons were "their" time - now it is a week night) and they would hike all over a forest close by, she in the lead. They would cross troll bridges - fallen trees over gullies and streams. Find the dragon rocks - dragons, when people come by, stop moving and freeze in place and look like rocks - if you look closely you can see their eyes, noses and mouths. The woods are full of them! They found gnome houses - they look remarkably like dirt mounds but there are secret entrances, if you can spot them.
There are giants to be found (or at least the evidence they were there), faery rings, faery mounds, and entrances into the earth. It is amazing what they can find. Each season offers a new variation of the same
theme. My daughter knows full well which otherworld folk are out during which season and she knows where to find them.

Exploring as the seasons change brings about all sorts of discoveries. You will find animal homes, watch them build or depending on the season, finding them abandoned. You can watch the baby animals grow throughout the year through quiet observation. See how animal coats change texture and color as season change. You can even illustrate this with your
household pets and the changes they go through season to season (i.e. coat changes).

Green Gardeners

The garden offer a glorious sanctuary of life, it is the Wheel of Life in action. Gardens are not limited to actual yard space, one can use containers outdoors or in, create a greenhouse window, indoor forced bulbs, terrariums, bottle gardens and like. Each offers a hands-on experience with nature and understanding of the Wheel of Life. Gardens ease the mind and relax the Spirit, they also give the faery folk wonderful places to play.

Miniature Artisans

This is a great age to introduce crafts. Allow their creativity to run wild, creativity is so vital to a Magical life. All types of crafts can be had at this age. Remember your artisans and what they are capable of
and the attention spans they have. Depending on the project, you may have to lay most of the foundation and allow them a few small steps to claim the production as their own.

Use things you gather outdoors: shells, sand (you can dye it), leaves, flowers, acorns, branches, etc... Create picture frames, grass paintings, leaf presses, mosaics, and oodles of other things. Craft ideas will vary and change as the seasons change and your kids'
interests are peaked. Keep activities age appropriate or else you and they will become frustrated!

Emotional identification

Empathy is an important life skill we can foster in children. We have a natural affinity to be empathic, however the world is all too eager to stomp it right out of us, given the chance. Emotional Identification is
important equipment in determining correct action or non-action. It is fundamental in striving for the balance we need to live life wholly and fully. It does not mean we are unable to act because we are too wrapped
up in other's emotional viewpoints, but rather we can consciously determine right course of action.

Foster empathy in children, allow them to imagine, to feel what a situation must feel like to one of the parties if we are not participatory, and one of the others if we are. I have used this to empathize with other kids, adults, animals, plants, and a whole host of things. This widens the factors kids will take in account as they
determine correct action for themselves as they get older. Which leads to responsible Magical lives (and hopefully less of those painful lessons).

[Dextra]

Thanks for the info Litha!

I've been doing some of those things already, such as the Hello Moon and Goodnight Sun things. I've tried to spark their interest in the nature around them. I planted some herbs the other night and they were trying so hard to help me! I let them dump the soil into the pots, but I had to keep them from trying to eat it! :D

[Sequoia]

dear Litha -

I'm not sure on how long ago this was posted, but reading your ideas on "hello moon" and such. . . it sounds wonderful!!! I hope that in several years, I can remember this and share it with my children (none yet, but hopefully then! ;) )

thank you!!

~Puma

[Litha]

:) it was posted over 1 year ago, but Mol in all his wisdom has set up the board so that anything written from day 1 can be found!