Should they rebuild the twin towers

[GoddessofWisdom]

Ok So I ripped this off from Yahoo but it's a worth while Poll

[loopy]

I voted for 'unsure' because it's still too early to be thinking about it (for me).

[Danustouch]

I voted yes. I know a lot of people think they shouldn't, perhaps out of respect, perhaps out of fear...but I think they should, just to prove to those jerks who attacked us..that we won't be brought down by them!

[GoddessofWisdom]

I voted unsure because my emotional side thinks of all those who died due to the fact that there were too many floors in each building and I can't help but think of those that will die the same way if the rebuilt towers should be attacked.

But on the other hand I agree with Danustouch..............
we'll show them;)

[Spirahl]

I think they should rebuild, though not as high. An appropriate memorial can be built into the design.

[Amora]

I say rebuild, keep on living... I can't live in fear.

[GoddessofWisdom]

Originally posted by Spirahl
I think they should rebuild, though not as high. An appropriate memorial can be built into the design.

A very good possibility


Great idea

[Myst]

I say don't rebuild.

We don't have to prove we aren't afraid of them.

And frankly I wouldn't go near a building built on land where several thousands of people died horribly. Ever.

[Danustouch]

Well..I wouldn't think they would rebuild on that lot. I think a memorial should be on that lot. They could build the towers elsewhere though :) I agree..it would give me the creeps if they did it on the spot.

[Kaylara]

Originally posted by Willow Raven
I say don't rebuild.

We don't have to prove we aren't afraid of them.

And frankly I wouldn't go near a building built on land where several thousands of people died horribly. Ever.

I totally agree Willow... I have a hard time here in NJ. Another thing is what kind of companies will want to have their offices there, and who would want to work for a company there. I know that I sure as hades wouldn't! Not completely out of fear of another attack, but because I know what happened on that spot before, and it would really bother me to know that I was in a building that was built where thousands of people died.

Kaylara

[Kaylara]

Originally posted by Danustouch
Well..I wouldn't think they would rebuild on that lot. I think a memorial should be on that lot. They could build the towers elsewhere though :) I agree..it would give me the creeps if they did it on the spot.

Um... There is no other spot for them to build on. NYc is so thickly developed... The city lost a ton of office space between the twin towers and the surrounding buildings that either collapsed or are badly damaged. If they don't build some kind of office space on that spot, they will be loosing tons of revenue coming into the city...

Kaylara

[Ball-Bhreac Ròn]

Well, for some reason, I am totally obsessed with tradition and keeping things *exactly* the same, and I don't really caare about my emotional side. I say rebuild them. NY looks empty without them.

[mol]

Well, just being practical...I would say rebuild the WTC but do it a bit differently. Like maybe, closer to the ground.

And no...Im not being sarcastic.

[Xander67]

deffinately...

lets open up the underground cities.....oops!
*smiles

[flar7]

not as a "cant stop us principle", but cause life goes on. and the land cant be left vacant. If the site bothers people then it wouldnt matter what you built. Besides rebuilding the towers would be an adventure and the best memorial possible.

[Xander67]

I Like the Towers of light Project that the artists are working on in conjunction with the city, they are working on putting a barge out in the water and sooting beams of light in the sky to make it look like the twin towers I saw a piece on it one night on the tube

[Shadowulfe]

in my opinion i say rebuild em.
we can't show any fear! anyway having said that..you know if they rebuild they are going to study how to make skyscrapers be able to take impacts from airplanes and the like...if they can figure out how to do that and this happens again.....sure people will still probably die....just not as many as before!

[Myst]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but well, I'm a medium. Some of my best friends are mediums. Has anyone else noticed all the spirits around lately, especially the fact that more of them have been angry, upset, and confused? And this in Canada. I can't imagine what it's like where the buildings were. I frankly know if they did rebuild you wouldn't find me near there, too many upset spirits wandering around, I can just imagine them now crying or screaming, some not realizing they're dead or why. *shudder* Nasty scene.

Sure we don't want to show fear, but what about the respect for thousands of spirits of people who died there.

[Xander67]

quote...Willow
Has anyone else noticed all the spirits around lately, especially the fact that more of them have been angry, upset, and confused?

end quote

:nods:


I started senseing thier presence in the summer of 2000
at the height of the alignment of the planets which just happened to pick my sign....Taurus what an EYE OPENER ;)

[Sora]

Yes. Yes, even though I'm not American, I'd have to say the towers should be rebuilt. Possibly just as memorials, you know? Not so... high... Well, that's my opinion...

[GoddessofWisdom]

wow I am actually shocked at how this poll is turning out there are some really great ideas here :)

[Kaylara]

Originally posted by Willow Raven
Maybe I'm in the minority here but well, I'm a medium. Some of my best friends are mediums. Has anyone else noticed all the spirits around lately, especially the fact that more of them have been angry, upset, and confused? And this in Canada. I can't imagine what it's like where the buildings were. I frankly know if they did rebuild you wouldn't find me near there, too many upset spirits wandering around, I can just imagine them now crying or screaming, some not realizing they're dead or why. *shudder* Nasty scene.

Sure we don't want to show fear, but what about the respect for thousands of spirits of people who died there.

You're tellin me Willow... I'm right here in NJ, and I will tell you that exactly what you are saying is happening here. Many of the people who died are from NJ, and are wandering all over the area. And with Samhain just around the corner, the veil is thinning... It has gotten worse since the actual tragedy here. I'm glad to see that it's not just me; that others have noticed this as well...

Kaylara

[Myst]

Originally posted by Kaylara
You're tellin me Willow... I'm right here in NJ, and I will tell you that exactly what you are saying is happening here. Many of the people who died are from NJ, and are wandering all over the area. And with Samhain just around the corner, the veil is thinning... It has gotten worse since the actual tragedy here. I'm glad to see that it's not just me; that others have noticed this as well...

*shudder*

We were trying to talk to spirits the other night and this one particularily sad and nasty one showed up and was pretty rude. I can only imagine what it's like their Kaylara :(

[Swanspirit]

With green growing things to help cleanse the energy there ............ and have it be a memorial ........ there is also a question of a sea wall that may have been structurally compromised.....it may not be possible to rebuild exactly where the old towers were......
Love and Light
Swannie

[MammaStar]

I voted to rebuild them. I've heard a bunch of ideas on what to do there. I like the whole "building/memorial" thing. I think that's probably what the city is going to end up doing. A park in between the 2 new buildings. My favorite idea, has been part of the joke kind. *Build 'em even higher & on top a BIG MIDDLE FINGER STICKING STRAIGHT UP!" :D That one at least makes me feel a little better & I smile.

I hope they do build something there with a nice memorial for everyone who's lost their lives. If anyone can do it, NYC can.

[Swanspirit]

"If anyone can do it, NYC can."
I am originally from Baltimore....... New York's Maryland cousin....... and my Aunt lives in Manhattan ......and my cousins are doctors on NYC.........and I have been to New York on and off my entire life......
and know a lot of "new Yawkers " .....
And I have been thinking to myself....... of all of the mistakes that the terrorists made ...... possibly one of the worst was picking NEW YORK!!! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!!! Of all the people you DONT want to tick off ...and if any one can pick up the pieces and move on while not forgetting a single lost soul...........
IT IS NEW YORK!!!!!!
Love and Light
Swannie

[GoddessofWisdom]

Originally posted by Swanspirit
"If anyone can do it, NYC can."
I am originally from Baltimore....... New York's Maryland cousin....... and my Aunt lives in Manhattan ......and my cousins are doctors on NYC.........and I have been to New York on and off my entire life......
and know a lot of "new Yawkers " .....
And I have been thinking to myself....... of all of the mistakes that the terrorists made ...... possibly one of the worst was picking NEW YORK!!! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!!! Of all the people you DONT want to tick off ...and if any one can pick up the pieces and move on while not forgetting a single lost soul...........
IT IS NEW YORK!!!!!!
Love and Light
Swannie

So true Swan......................NYers are the toughest of the tough in America. They're rude and mean to ppl who don't p*ss them off :P

[Swanspirit]

" Mean and rude " LOL guess you had to be there ......
Love and light
Swannie

[GoddessofWisdom]

Originally posted by GoddessofWisdom


So true Swan......................NYers are the toughest of the tough in America. They're rude and mean to ppl who don't p*ss them off :P

the :P meat i was joking :/

[Swanspirit]

There was a period in my life ....... I think it was the protest days ....... when there were SO MANY NEW YORKERS in our "crowd" at the Peoples Free Medical Clinic ......that we "Baltimorons " just referred to them as "Mean and Rude " in an affectionate way ...... as in saying we know ..... you are just mean and rude...... meaning we KNOW you are from New York LOL and they DIDNT KILL US ........They LET US LIVE hmmmm maybe I am getting them mixed up with the ART Crowd......:rotfl: :rotfl:
Love and light
Swannie

[Ball-Bhreac Ròn]

Originally posted by LdyStarlite
*Build 'em even higher & on top a BIG MIDDLE FINGER STICKING STRAIGHT UP!"

:rotfl:

[NightFire]

I think they should be rebuilt, but with a memorial being integrated into them.

As for the horrible deaths that happened there, well, very few places in America is clean from death, and a lot of areas had mass killings, especially the Southern states, followed by the Eastern states. Their were more people killed in several of the civil war battle fields than the trade centers, and some of those areas have office buildings now.

The dead need to be remembered, and sent to rest. We, the living, are the ones that are mostly responsible for keeping spirits in a place, because we can't let them go.

It is not a very responsible thing to do, as it prevents them from moving on to their next level of existence.

[Starlight]

Originally posted by mol
Well, just being practical...I would say rebuild the WTC but do it a bit differently. Like maybe, closer to the ground.

And no...Im not being sarcastic.

I totally agree! It'll show we're strong but not stupid!

[Spirahl]

I'm strongly clairsentient, and I get uncomfortable vibes everywhere, if I open myself to that. People have died horribly and suddenly on almost every spot of the globe.
I have noticed things stepping up lately, though for me, it started back in early summer. Hey? What's going on you think?

[Myst]

Originally posted by NightFire
The dead need to be remembered, and sent to rest. We, the living, are the ones that are mostly responsible for keeping spirits in a place, because we can't let them go.

Uhm we don't have the right nor ability to "send spirits to rest" at all. We can help guide them and help them find their way, but they go when they want to. Yes people have died elsewhere in the globe, and sometimes many in one area, but as you can probably imagine buildings that were destroyed causing thousands of sudden deaths were probably not rebuilt afterwards within a matter of months.

Further, I imagine the buildings in that area were not destroyed by planes full of passengers sent by terrorists and did not include several thousand fiery deaths in one small area, and also not so recently. There's an entirely different fear factor there. In wars for the most part people died at the hands of enemies with guns, and most of them were in the army etc. and were prepared for possible death. What happened here was an entirely new type of war, as Bush has said. I think they need to find a new place for the WTC and I sure as heck wouldn't be caught where the towers were.

Sorry I don't mean to be arguing or anything I'm just clarifying my thoughts. I mean it's not like I have any control over the matter anyway, I just have my thoughts :)

[Faery-Wings]

I voted no too.

Maybe not the most practical thought. I can't even imagine what the real estate value would be on that spot and the economics of not rebuilding.

However, growing up with the NY skyline and being in the city often, I can't imagine another Trade Center. It would always feel "wrong" to me, I guess. I think a memorial park would be wonderful and I love the idea of the towers of light.

I haven't sensed any souls in a long time (although I was majorly creeped out as a young girl when my parents took me to Gettysburg), but I can't imagine going to the WTC and *not* sensing their souls. My heart aches for them. :(

BB

Chris

[Euphoria]

i say yes we should rebuild them ...... as a sign to the terrorists that america is not about a building or a few deaths or hundreds of deaths ... america is an idea of peace and prosperity .... and to prove that if u knock us down we will only come back higher and stronger ..... i think that yes we should built a memorial in the spot where the trade cdenters once were aswell.


charysma xx

[GoddessofWisdom]

Originally posted by Swanspirit
There was a period in my life ....... I think it was the protest days ....... when there were SO MANY NEW YORKERS in our "crowd" at the Peoples Free Medical Clinic ......that we "Baltimorons " just referred to them as "Mean and Rude " in an affectionate way ...... as in saying we know ..... you are just mean and rude...... meaning we KNOW you are from New York LOL and they DIDNT KILL US ........They LET US LIVE hmmmm maybe I am getting them mixed up with the ART Crowd......:rotfl: :rotfl:
Love and light
Swannie

LOL

1/2 my family and friends are from NY so we joke around like that too. Not that I live much farther away (5 minutes from the Lincoln Tunnel)

But luckily my family and friends got on path trains to NJ right after the 1st plane hit.

Athough a friend of mine lost 5 of her friends:(

[GoddessofWisdom]

Originally posted by GoddessofWisdom


LOL

1/2 my family and friends are from NY so we joke around like that too. Not that I lived much farther away (5 minutes from the Lincoln Tunnel)

But luckily my family and friends got on path trains to NJ right after the 1st plane hit.

Athough a friend of mine lost 5 of her friends:(

[Danustouch]

OT for a moment..sorry..i'll hop back on in a sec...

Chryssi...I went to ghettysburg when I was a kid too. And it SOOOOO freaked me out. I was about 7 years old..and I kept saying.."I smell blood". My mother was like.."you can't SMELL blood." I insisted that I smelled blood, and I smelled "Dead People". My mother kept trying to reassure me, that the people who had died there, had been dead so long, I couldn't possibly "Smell them". But I did...and I kept crying, repeatedly, over and over, when we were on the trails up to Devils Rock. I didn't want to go there...I kept being totally terrified. And yes..I did "See" a spirit....Totally freaked me out. We went on one of those moonlight/torchlight tours...man...that was sooo creepy. Glad I'm not the only one who freaked out there.

[Swanspirit]

but not really ...... Gettysburg freaked me out as a child as well......... there were some places I just could NOT go ...... some areas I couldnt walk on ...........
and the day of WTC I felt an anguish... the likes of which I cannot describe........of whic there are still vestiges.....
Intent does make a difference........ there is anguish with natural disasters when thousands die ....... but the intent that was perpetrated in this act was also felt ......
That is part of the reason I feel that a park as a memorial would be nice to help cleanse those energies as well

It is a shame NY City engineers dont do tree magic :> .............. and perhaps rebuild elsewhere .......
But who knows what will be actually feasible construction wise............
Love and Light
Swannie

[MammaStar]

Originally posted by Swanspirit
but not really ...... Gettysburg freaked me out as a child as well......... there were some places I just could NOT go ...... some areas I couldnt walk on ...........
and the day of WTC I felt an anguish... the likes of which I cannot describe........of whic there are still vestiges.....
Intent does make a difference........ there is anguish with natural disasters when thousands die ....... but the intent that was perpetrated in this act was also felt ......
That is part of the reason I feel that a park as a memorial would be nice to help cleanse those energies as well

It is a shame NY City engineers dont do tree magic :> .............. and perhaps rebuild elsewhere .......
But who knows what will be actually feasible construction wise............
Love and Light
Swannie

one last OT about Gettysburg......when I visited w/my family (i was about 9). I THREW UP ON THE FIELDS!!!!!

Seriously. I did. Honest, ask my brother. :D He was standing next to me & freaked out. :eek:

[Spirahl]

Trying to put myself in the shoes of the people who have lost loved ones at the WTC, wondering how they'd feel about this issue. Part of me says it would be too difficult for them, part of me thinks they would want to see the work there, and all it represented to continue. Perhaps it is too early for them to feel one way or the other. I don't think I'd know how I'd feel unless I were in their shoes, which thankfully I am not. I still say rebuild from my personal view, but if the victims' families can't bear that...

[talamh]

Well, i think what will decide whether another office complex will be built on that site or not is economics.... which means something will eventually be built. i don't think peoples' feelings will enter in to the equation. Seems to me this has been proven by the way corporations and individuals have reacted economically to the terrorist attacks... the stock market took a catestrophic beating and companies began to lay people off by the thousands.... anything to protect that bottom line.

The WTC stood on some of the most expensive real estate on the planet.. in an area that is totally hungry for prime office space.

What do you want to bet that there will be some sort of "rededication" inter-denominational memorial service.... then back to business as usualy and rebuild.. unhappy ghosts and unquiet spirits notwithstanding....

Wouldn't it be great if i'm proven wrong on this???
bb talamh

[Illuminatus]

Well....

The money's there. People have donated many millions of dollars just for the purpose of rebuilding them already.

[MystOld]

Originally posted by talamh anEiac
What do you want to bet that there will be some sort of "rededication" inter-denominational memorial service.... then back to business as usualy and rebuild.. unhappy ghosts and unquiet spirits notwithstanding....

Wouldn't it be great if i'm proven wrong on this???

I have to agree with you there - but then again, look how many of us think that would be alright anyway, and we don't have as much of a stake as them?

[GoddessofWisdom]

Originally posted by Illuminatus
Well....

The money's there. People have donated many millions of dollars just for the purpose of rebuilding them already.

Microsoft (ie.....Bill Gates)donated a few million $
A small unnoticed church in my area donated $11,000 alone so can you imagine how much $$$ has already gone into the rebuilding fund?????????