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JasmineRose
March 6th, 2005, 10:46 PM
Not sure where to post this, sorry.

Several times over the last 5 or 6 yrs I have been visited by what I recently discovered to be an incubus. Where I am currently living is a breeding ground for all things paranormal and not of the good kind, but that's another topic altogether.

To describe the experience, I'll be laying in bed in the early stages of sleep and suddenly can't move. Then will feel someone pressed up behind me with what I guess you could describe as "arms" wrapped around me and nearly crushing me, meanwhile "kissing" the back of my neck. The whole time there is an ice cold breeze. When the entity leaves, I feel very drained.

A friend and I were discussing what it might be based on a similar experience in a book she bought called "A Witch's Book of Answers" by Eileen Holland. The author mentions Eye of Satan seeds to repel/banish the entity, but I couldn't find (even on her website) what those are.

As I'm typing this, an experience came back to me that I'm thinking may have been the first encounter with said entity. Although I was wide awake in early evening at the time so that can't really be an incubus (can it?). I was visiting above mentioned friend in her apartment, doing dishes, and the only one there other than her cats while she was at work. The spirit would press itself behind me, wrap "arms" around me and kiss the back of my neck, with a cold breeze the entire time. Maybe it discovered me there and followed me home? Because for almost a solid year, the same thing would happen to me whether I was in bed or if I was sitting at the computer talking to her.

Does anyone have any info or feedback?

Toby Stimpson
March 6th, 2005, 11:48 PM
Ugh, the dark people. Incubus is a very specific form of these entities...some call them Shadow people, I use to call the one that haunted me the dark lady, a kind of Succubus. The only comment that I can suggest is that you place astral traps around your home, spells and what not. I dont think though that the Entities respond to Gods, since they are in the realm where there are many Gods...I found though that the entity stopped when I began to build myself up. Well, that and the fact that I koved house...but that has nothing to dow ith it, hehehe...but yes, a cleansing spell may also be in order...draw it to you in a circle, trap it and cleanse your home? Best of luck!

Namaste,

Tobias

mucgwyrt
March 7th, 2005, 02:16 PM
The Anglo-Saxons recognised them as 'mæres' or 'maras', from which we get the word nightmare.
According to lore, they can be warded by placing your shoes at the foot of your bed with the toes facing away, or can be caught by a partner (who watches for the incubus whlst you sleep) who must be wearing "inherited gloves".

Quite possible its something which has followed you home; cleanse the house (smudge stick) and ward it (salt sprinkled somewhere it wont be wiped away, above a picture railing for example, or failing that salt-water which wont be washed away) maybe with a protective chant as you do so :)

xx

MoonDragn
March 7th, 2005, 02:21 PM
Psychologists explain this effect of sleep paralysis as the cause of all these halucinations. The arms can't move certainly is part of it. There is usually a feeling of uncontrollable fear associated with it. The question is if its just that or something more?

That doesn't explain you at your friend's house though. You need to see if you can get a good shield going. It may well be someone with psychic abilities stalking you and not a ghost or demon/incubus.

Sleet
March 7th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Read up on sleep paralysis.

Toby Stimpson
March 7th, 2005, 10:32 PM
The sleep paralysis theory is interesting, and there is evidence that the body does shut down to the point of paralysis during sleep to stop uncontrolled movements and muscle spasms from causing harm while your mind rests. They have NOT however been fully able to explain the idea of the Entities, and have created a theory where certain parts of our mind become active during night that we interpret later as being an Entity attack...I disagree with this theory however becasue there are so many leaps.

JasmineRose
March 7th, 2005, 10:54 PM
It can't be sleep paralysis if it also happens when I'm wide awake though.

the_ancient_one
March 8th, 2005, 12:52 AM
Hi, Jasmine Rose: Hope you are doing okay. I feel I am qualified to write about this subject because I've had myself several encounters with incubii. Incubii are energy-vampires. They are the spiritual world's attempt to balance an uneven distribution of sexual energy. They prey on introverted, or shy women that are pre-pubescent, pubescent, teens or at their sexual peak who cannot release their sexual energy because they are celibate, have not found a suitable partner to have sexual relations with or because there is no masturbation. You can also dissipate your sexual energy by intense exercise and physical activity. Incubi and Sucubi particulary prey on solitary practitioners. I've gotten myself involved in weight-training and more involved socially to prevent these attacks. Hope this helps.

Druchii
March 8th, 2005, 01:32 AM
Hi, Jasmine Rose: Hope you are doing okay. I feel I am qualified to write about this subject because I've had myself several encounters with incubii. Incubii are energy-vampires. They are the spiritual world's attempt to balance an uneven distribution of sexual energy. They prey on introverted, or shy women that are pre-pubescent, pubescent, teens or at their sexual peak who cannot release their sexual energy because they are celibate, have not found a suitable partner to have sexual relations with or because there is no masturbation. You can also dissipate your sexual energy by intense exercise and physical activity. Incubi and Sucubi particulary prey on solitary practitioners. I've gotten myself involved in weight-training and more involved socially to prevent these attacks. Hope this helps.


Sexual Energy? Really?

JasmineRose
March 8th, 2005, 01:53 AM
Interesting theory. I was discussing the matter with my friend and neither of us truly believe that it is sexual energy that this *thing* is after. Is that the only type of energy this entity would be seeking with the above mentioned "symptoms" or is there a possibility there is something else out there that might do the same type of thing? Perhaps in addition to feeding off of sexual energy? Your "personality" description does fit but I'm wondering if that is all there is to it or if there is another explantion as well. If it was a sexual vampire so to speak, wouldn't you feel, what's the word I'm looking for, sated afterwards? Which isn't there at all.

On an offtopic but related matter, I seem to either attract or be drawn to the paranormal wherever I go. Whether it comes to me or I go it subconsciously, I don't know. Everywhere I have lived for the last 14 yrs has had supernatural activity/energy to almost scary degrees. I can't even wear a watch without it dying almost immediately. A fairly reliable acquaintaince said he believes that I may attracting all this unwanted energy. However he hasn't had a chance to actually sit down and discuss the ins and outs of it yet.

Antoninus
March 8th, 2005, 02:33 AM
You may not want to PUBLICLY share this, but do you have any sexual occurances during the night? Arousal, extreme skin sensitivity, that kind of thing?

Usually these kinds of things feed off of sexual energies and they get that through a kind of...astral sex I guess is the best term. The effects of that lap over into our perception.

JasmineRose
March 8th, 2005, 02:37 AM
Not that I'm aware of.

Antoninus
March 8th, 2005, 02:40 AM
Are you tired in the morning? Or are certain muscles such as your thighs and abs, sore in the morning when they werent when you went to bed?

JasmineRose
March 8th, 2005, 02:51 AM
I'm not tired when I wake up in the mornings unless I've stayed up way too late the previous night. Only on very rare occasions have I felt tired muscles in the morning that would not have otherwise been used. I used to own a futon and would wake up terribly sore but as soon as I got rid of that, there was only one or two random times I can recall when I woke up inexplicably sore.

As far as the events I described, afterwards I feel kind of blah and drained but not tired or sore per se.

Antoninus
March 8th, 2005, 02:55 AM
What I would suggest is several things.

1. Follow the other's advice about checking out sleep paralysis

2. Videotaping yourself while you sleep, set up a camera that will record you throught the night to see if you do anything abnormal at certain times.

3. Perform a minor cleansing on yourself, your room, and especially your bed.

JasmineRose
March 8th, 2005, 03:00 AM
I'll look into those. I don't have a video camera or access to one.

This occurance happens when I'm wide awake too and nowhere near my bedroom or bed at the time.

Antoninus
March 8th, 2005, 03:06 AM
Could it be something your eating?

JasmineRose
March 8th, 2005, 03:18 AM
How so?

Antoninus
March 8th, 2005, 03:23 AM
Certain aditives in foods have been known to trigger viscreal physical reactions. Upset stomachs, headaches, weakness, a huge range of things. How long as this been occuring and is there anything that you started eating just before all this started happening?

JasmineRose
March 8th, 2005, 03:34 AM
In my original post I mentioned it started about 5-6 yrs ago. Continued for almost a solid year after it first happened. Then it tapered off to sporadic. Sometimes every night and other times it wouldn't happen at all for days at a time.

Obviously since it's been that long ago since it started, I can't recall any major change in diet. I can't think of anything it would be though. I don't get upset stomach unless food isn't cooked properly, or in very rare cases, I am extremely stressed out. I don't have a problem with headaches or weakness, etc.

The only times that I had the unexplainable sore muscles, other than the bed which was replaced, was well before this started, maybe closer to 10 yrs ago.

Antoninus
March 8th, 2005, 04:21 AM
Then you definately might want to consider sleep paralysis research and a visit to your doctor.

A cleansing couldnt hurt though :)

trippingdaisy
March 8th, 2005, 05:05 AM
Are you tired in the morning? Or are certain muscles such as your thighs and abs, sore in the morning when they werent when you went to bed?

wow, this is all sounding a bit too familiar to me, though. I just though I've been sleeping funny all these years, and I have no real idea what an incubus actually is.

Sleet
March 8th, 2005, 09:23 AM
It can't be sleep paralysis if it also happens when I'm wide awake though.

Maybe not, but my main point is that it's probably a good idea to exhaust mundane possibilities before exploring supernatural ones.

mucgwyrt
March 8th, 2005, 01:20 PM
You may not want to PUBLICLY share this, but do you have any sexual occurances during the night? Arousal, extreme skin sensitivity, that kind of thing?

Usually these kinds of things feed off of sexual energies and they get that through a kind of...astral sex I guess is the best term. The effects of that lap over into our perception.
Antonious, would you mind going into this in more depth if you have the time? You seem to know what you're talking about, and I'm curious :)

the_ancient_one
March 8th, 2005, 03:30 PM
"On an offtopic but related matter, I seem to either attract or be drawn to the paranormal wherever I go. Whether it comes to me or I go it subconsciously, I don't know. Everywhere I have lived for the last 14 yrs has had supernatural activity/energy to almost scary degrees. I can't even wear a watch without it dying almost immediately. A fairly reliable acquaintaince said he believes that I may attracting all this unwanted energy. However he hasn't had a chance to actually sit down and discuss the ins and outs of it yet."
I have the same 'problem'. However, you must differentiate between sucubi/incubi and being a psychic. Sucubi and incubi usually have sexual intercourse with people. The next step is to ACCEPT your gift. This is the most difficult part because Christian thought has conditioned us to think of it as a 'curse'. This requires retraining your way of thinking, which will be very difficult. I am still struggling with this issue.

Druchii
March 8th, 2005, 03:35 PM
Maybe not, but my main point is that it's probably a good idea to exhaust mundane possibilities before exploring supernatural ones.


Agreed.

Antoninus
March 8th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Antonious, would you mind going into this in more depth if you have the time? You seem to know what you're talking about, and I'm curious :)
An Incubus is a male....I dont know what you would call it...spirit I guess would be the best term. It doesnt feed on food, but it feeds on passion and sexual energies given off by women. They can sometimes (Though rarely) appear physically to a woman as a REALLY REALLY REALLY good looking guy that you have a one-night stand of mind-blowing sex with and you feel REALLY REALLY drained afterwards and you NEVER hear from the guy or see him again. By lore, an Incubus can get a woman pregnant, but Im not sure if in actuality its true. But more often an Incubus will appear to a woman in a dream that involves sex. Usually the person wakes up feeling very tired, drained, and often aroused. Theyre very sweaty and sometimes they feel a general sense of satisfaction like after having sex. The drained feeling lasts for usually about one day but it can go further. Usually if your a very passionate person youll feel very blase about things, basically mild depression without the saddness.

A Succubus is the same just for men. Succibi are a bit more common but occurances of both are usually rare. Im just guessing but probably.....1 in 50 women and 1 in 20 men will encounter one of these things. Im TOTALLY guessing but it sounds like a safe estimate allthough I will be the first to admit Im probably wrong.

And again, let me stress, all this is RARE. I have never heard of it happening to anyone I know but I have SPOKEN to people who have had an encounter and read information on the subject but the general idea is there. Again this RARELY happens.

blackroseivy
March 8th, 2005, 07:04 PM
I believe that when I had a couple of manic episodes, this kind of spirit just *may* have taken advantage of the fact that I had no defenses against such an infestation.

SilverCat
March 8th, 2005, 10:33 PM
I'm the friend referred to in Jasmine's original post, btw. We aren't sure it IS an incubus, just that a description we found is similar. This first description didn't mention anything sexual about encounters with one, just that the entity merely embraces or "presses down" on a woman in bed. We didn't see any sexual references until we looked up the word on the net for more information.

We thought we'd ask here to see if y'all had any better ideas as to what it could be and what could be done to banish it. Your insights have been truly fascinating so far and greatly appreciated, but one thing we didn't seem to describe clear enough is:

The experiences she's had aren't sexually related at all, they are a general energy drain. No real paralysis either, and they don't always happen when she's asleep though that is the most common...venue, for lack of a better word. (we've researched sleep paralysis and already ruled that out some time ago)


So could it be an entity other than an Incubus? :hrmm:

Sil

HeavensHope
March 8th, 2005, 11:36 PM
I think I've had encounters with a incubus...I use to be tired and drained of energy all the time...well I do still...but it's mainly due to work and school. I've had the sexual dreams, the "feelings", and everything that goes with it even some slight bruises around my thighs...little bruises inside my thighs. Sleep paralysis... I've had that more then a few times when I was younger, it's an aweful feeling. Like I'm being trapped, I cant move, cant speak, cant even breath sometimes...but it only last for about 30 to 40 secs. feels so much longer though.

So, I think whatever it is you're feeling cant be either. Maybe it's something else, maybe there's something or someone that's feeding off your energy, your "gift". You said you attract paranomal things, maybe it's because you carry or give off some type of energy and whatever it is is feeding off it. It could be that whatever it is that's draining you of energy probably isnt aware of it, I mean if this thing is hugging and kissing on you, and not hurting you in any way except draining your energy maybe it is aware it is.
That's just my thought...I really have no idea what it could be.

Antoninus
March 9th, 2005, 07:00 AM
I'm the friend referred to in Jasmine's original post, btw. We aren't sure it IS an incubus, just that a description we found is similar. This first description didn't mention anything sexual about encounters with one, just that the entity merely embraces or "presses down" on a woman in bed. We didn't see any sexual references until we looked up the word on the net for more information.

We thought we'd ask here to see if y'all had any better ideas as to what it could be and what could be done to banish it. Your insights have been truly fascinating so far and greatly appreciated, but one thing we didn't seem to describe clear enough is:

The experiences she's had aren't sexually related at all, they are a general energy drain. No real paralysis either, and they don't always happen when she's asleep though that is the most common...venue, for lack of a better word. (we've researched sleep paralysis and already ruled that out some time ago)


So could it be an entity other than an Incubus? :hrmm:

Sil
It could be a myriad of things as basic as diet and as complex as some time of spirit like entity. My suggestion still stands, see a doctor.

Seren_
March 9th, 2005, 12:45 PM
So could it be an entity other than an Incubus? :hrmm:

Sil

Assuming the answer isn't mundane, what you're describing does come under the general realm of psychic attacks. Dion Fortune goes into it in her book Psychic Self-Defence. I'd strongly recommend getting your hands on a copy.

However, there are plenty of medical/psychological explanations for all this as well. Exhaust all mundane, especially medical possibilities, before jumping to a more esoteric one...it could save your life :)

And as a general rule, if you do suspect an esoteric sort of thing going on, start preventative measures immediately. Cleanse and banish. Otherwise, your interest in it only encourages more...whatever it's doing.

mucgwyrt
March 9th, 2005, 01:11 PM
By lore, an Incubus can get a woman pregnant, but Im not sure if in actuality its true.


I wonder if that's the origin of all those getting pregnant by satan myths/films :)



A Succubus is the same just for men. Succibi are a bit more common but occurances of both are usually rare. Im just guessing but probably.....1 in 50 women and 1 in 20 men will encounter one of these things. Im TOTALLY guessing but it sounds like a safe estimate allthough I will be the first to admit Im probably wrong.


I dont want to go over PG13 here, but what strikes me is that people are surely often just sexually frustrated and dreams are a way to meet than need so to speak; how do you differentiate between a succubus/incubbus and plain regular sexual dreams?

Antoninus
March 9th, 2005, 06:42 PM
I dont want to go over PG13 here, but what strikes me is that people are surely often just sexually frustrated and dreams are a way to meet than need so to speak; how do you differentiate between a succubus/incubbus and plain regular sexual dreams?
**Shrugs** Ask them. One school of thought is that ALL sexual dreams are brought on by thier visiting

GEBS
March 9th, 2005, 10:50 PM
An Incubus is a male....I dont know what you would call it...spirit I guess would be the best term. It doesnt feed on food, but it feeds on passion and sexual energies given off by women. They can sometimes (Though rarely) appear physically to a woman as a REALLY REALLY REALLY good looking guy that you have a one-night stand of mind-blowing sex with and you feel REALLY REALLY drained afterwards and you NEVER hear from the guy or see him again. By lore, an Incubus can get a woman pregnant, but Im not sure if in actuality its true. But more often an Incubus will appear to a woman in a dream that involves sex. Usually the person wakes up feeling very tired, drained, and often aroused. Theyre very sweaty and sometimes they feel a general sense of satisfaction like after having sex. The drained feeling lasts for usually about one day but it can go further. Usually if your a very passionate person youll feel very blase about things, basically mild depression without the saddness.
This sounds very familiar to events that happened to me when I was 17-18. I never knew what it was but I was very certain it was more than a dream. I had almost forgot about it until I read your post. I feel weird even remembering it. It was so intense. I feel almost scared thinking about it.

I'm not saying that it was definitely this but it sure sounds familiar. I can still remember even the smells and the taste in my mouth from when it happened.

Antoninus
March 10th, 2005, 12:20 AM
This sounds very familiar to events that happened to me when I was 17-18. I never knew what it was but I was very certain it was more than a dream. I had almost forgot about it until I read your post. I feel weird even remembering it. It was so intense. I feel almost scared thinking about it.

I'm not saying that it was definitely this but it sure sounds familiar. I can still remember even the smells and the taste in my mouth from when it happened.
Sounds like it may have been. Memories of the actual event are usually very sketchy, very vivid, or non-existant.

TheSpiritWithin
March 16th, 2005, 03:49 AM
Be totally sure that you are not enjoying the attention. I know this sounds bizarre but I once lived in a place that was haunted and as much as I feared what was happening around me I was extremely fascinated.

Being of Wiccan faith it is almost reassuring to have these things happen to me. It is like proof that I am on the right path, and there is a reason why I am here. I try to understand why and work through things.

What I found that worked for me in a similar experience to yours was complete rejection of the spirit and sadly reciting an origional version of the Lord's prayer when it was happening.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/lords_prayer.htm


It is sad because it worked and I do not believe in this. I come from a very Christian family with a father who is called a 'sheppard' in his faith. When there are hauntings or demons he recommends the prayer. Out of fear and desparation I resorted to it and it worked!

PM me if you need to talk.

Julie
the spirit within
xo