Doubters' Successes

[labyrinth]

I've read and heard all the time about how if you doubt or even if simply fail to "forget" about a spell you have done, then you will pull back energy that is trying to make its way to the astral for manifestation. Yet so many people also have said they did spells thinking "this probably won't work, but worth a try and were filled with doubt or even disbelief, and yet they were shocked to find the spell worked. How can this be explained if magick is so affected by our thoughts?

[MoonDragn]

I do believe its all about belief. If you don't believe it will work then it won't. You have to believe that its possible from the depth of your being. When I do my reiki I believe that my hands are healing the person. There is no doubt in my mind that it would not work. I know it does.

[John_Mischief]

I don't think it's the believe behind it, so much as the emotional power. If you are putting forth the effort, even if you aren't sure it will work, it still stands a good chance of working, IMO

[KEishin]

Interesting topic. :)

I've heard of as skeptic syndrome" where someone involved doesn't believe, which then short-circuits any possibility of sucess. Sometimes one doesn't realize the power of disbelief.

Willpower is the key, at least to me. It doesn't matter what words, your candle colors you use or the length of your robe's train, as long as your intention is spot on. Certainly magick could still work if you didn't believe, but it might not be as strong.

IMHO

[MoonDragn]

Well think of it as pushing something uphill, if you don't believe you're strong enough to push it up, you won't try hard enough to actually do it. You can't accomplish something you don't believe in. If you do manage it, then there was SOME belief that you could do it.

[Tabbykitty]

Actually, I think its possible to not consciously admit to yourself that the spell you are casting at that moment will have the desired outcome, and still see some amazing results.

I had one such experience here:

Healing Experience - Read Tabbykitty's account (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=86399)

I think that in place of willpower, the one thing that helped this spell work was emotion, more precisely, my own desire for healing and desperation at having to live with terrible back pains that was getting worse daily.

Also, I guess that since the spell was given to me by someone whom I consider to be a real magician, it also helps to boost the belief factor.

[labyrinth]

It always just seemed like a zero-sum game to me. If you try to forget about it...and you are able to, then it's probably something you didn't feel too emotional about in the first place and isn't really important in your life. If you're emotional about it, then naturally it's going to be on your mind quite alot....and they say that's not good as well. It's just never made sense to me.

[dragenfly]

Yeah but... If you have already done the spell whether you believe it will be successfull or not you still called upon the energy, and manifested the results you want. So its already done then whether you think it will work or not. You did it, and if you did it then you obviously think it will work or you though it would at one point. Otherwise why bother with all the energy and emotion of doing it in the first place. Doubt or No Doubt ( I love NO DOUBT) if you build enough energy before you release it well then its done isnt it. Right? :goodgrief so confusing myself. Man thats a really good question LABRINTH.

[labyrinth]

Thanks dragenfly. I never realy looked at it that way. I know I read way too much on this subject, and all the conflicting opinions from different authors has completely boggled my mind. That makes sense though, if you actually bothered to raise and send energy and perform the task then you surely have some belief that it will work.

But some say that even after the work is done, dwelling too much can essentially pull back some of the concentrated thoughtform you sent out for manifestation. I guess there has to be a point though at which you couldn't really adversely affect what you have done.

[dragenfly]

But some say that even after the work is done, dwelling too much can essentially pull back some of the concentrated thoughtform you sent out for manifestation. I guess there has to be a point though at which you couldn't really adversely affect what you have done.

I guess some would say that, but you know what they say there's no such thing as bad publicity :). You're still constantly thinking of it and the manifestation you sent was positive and the emotion you raised was raw so who cares in you have little doubt after the fact, there is never doubt without a little hope. IMO anyway im sure others disagree.