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Artemis84
October 9th, 2001, 01:41 PM
I'm doing a project for school involving fairytales. I have to write my own fractured fairytale. I'm trying to find one with a witch in it so I can fix the stereotypes (which might be interesting once I get into it) but I can't find any good ones. Does anyone have some ideas?

loopy
October 9th, 2001, 01:44 PM
Hmm.. I can't remember the original original tales, but the doctored ones... Hansel and Gretel, wasn't the woman in the woods a witch?

Shoot, I thought there were so many... Sleeping Beauty, but she was a queen, right? Same with Snow White. Ummm.

Sequoia
October 9th, 2001, 04:11 PM
what about writing a storybook version of The Wizard of Oz? it shows GOOD witches, and you could fix the bad one! ^_^

Dagda Moon~Lily
October 9th, 2001, 04:22 PM
Oh, and don't forget about Rapunzel! :D ...and what about Rumpultstilskin (oh how ever it was spelled??) He may not of been your classic "witch" ....but what other creatures could spin gold from straw?? lol

Twilight Garden
October 9th, 2001, 04:22 PM
Didn't a witch lock Rapunzel up in the tower? I think that's the way I remember reading it. I used to love that story.

Wasn't Sleeping Beauty the one with four witch sisters, 3 good and 1 evil? I could be thinking of different one, though.

loopy
October 9th, 2001, 06:37 PM
I didn't think Sleeping Beauty had any sisters, but I don't remember the movie that well.

Euphoria
October 9th, 2001, 07:50 PM
The sword and the stone remember merlin had to fight the "wicked witch"

And if u've seen the film she is everything that the "typical witch" is stereotyped as ... the old wart hag witht the black cloak that can turn into dragons and turns people in to toads and was "wicked"

i think that is your oppurtunity to change stereotypes

:heartthro Charysma :heartthro

Yvonne Belisle
October 9th, 2001, 08:47 PM
Rapunsel was taken from her parents by the witch in exchange for her father's life and the lettuce she was named for. When she became a beautiful young woman she was locked in the tower so that she would not leave the witch who had raised her as a daughter. If you think about it the witch really wasn't evil. She traded for the child in a day where an extra mouth to feed often starved she protected her to the best of her ability. She shoved a strange man who had been seducing her step daughter off a tower wall. Perhaps it could be argued that she wasn't so wicked after all. I have an old version of several of the Grims Fairy tales and many have witches if there is one you want let me know I would be willing to sit and type it in line by line. I love the old tales.

Sequoia
October 9th, 2001, 10:22 PM
Yvonne - I would LOVE to hear those stories, myself. . . perhaps a new thread? hehe

Yvonne Belisle
October 9th, 2001, 11:52 PM
I could do that perhaps in the family room since they were ment to teach morals to children?

Sequoia
October 10th, 2001, 12:52 AM
or in the books forum

Yvonne Belisle
October 10th, 2001, 12:58 AM
Most people still use them as bedtime stories. Parents here are hard enough to get in the family forum so I'll put them in there so that parents can use them in thier bedtime stuff.:) Maybe I can get some traffic the book room already gets more.

StormChaser
October 10th, 2001, 06:06 AM
Disney more often than not, avoids making "witches".
Most of their fairy tale villians are either malicious people, or fairies. Few have been witches.

Witches:
Madame Mim from Sword and the Stone: not evil, but DEFINITELY demented. However Merlin was a Wizard and definitely Good, although also a bit quirky.
Ursula the Sea Witch from Little Mermaid. Definitely true villian material.

In fact, I think thats all of the witches there.

Other fairy tales:
Hansel and Gretel had a witch
Rapunzel's witch locked her in a tower *if you see Into The Woods the tale is set straight.. she does it to protect her "daughter" from what she considers evil mundane people to keep her pure.
Wizard of Oz of course has both tales.
Beaty and the Beast has an Enchantress *a good witch I guess, who uses enchantment to teach lessons *


In shakespeare the 3 witch sisters are not infact bad, although they do meddle in affairs they should not, after a sound scolding by their patron goddess Hecate, they fix the mess they make.

This is about all i could think of in terms of female witches.. but its 6am..

I do however start to recall MANY tales of male witches\wizards misusing power.. but also using them for good.

IT's hard to put right the whole witch thing when in reality the myths fairytales legends and lore are actually getting closer and closer to the truth each year...

~Storm Chaser

talamh
October 10th, 2001, 06:54 AM
Well, since part of the idea is to put some spin-doctoring on the witch image, why not go with something well known like Hansel and Gretle... brother and sister of an economically disadvantaged family.. subsistance farmers... Mom and Dad are trying to support the children with the farm while they also struggle to make their way... she as a visual artist - he as a novelist.

The children get lost in the forest and find the "witch" who turns out to be an independent-minded woman who is in fact a wise woman, an herbalist who is online and supports herself by technical editing of books sent to her online by a publishing house.

She also is a one-witch, neighbourhood watch and takes the children in, feeds them really good vegeterian food made from plants and grains and nuts the witch gathers wild from the forest and meadows. She puts them up for the night, lends them books from her library and in the morning walks them home.

She meets the parents and, getting to talk with them, realizes the artist mother is a very talented nature painter and the witch's publishing house is looking for illustrations for a nature book... and she agrees to do an evaluation of the father's unpublished novels and realizes they have the potential of not just best-seller but serious book prize winner. She brings both mother and father to the attention of her publisher who gives them both contracts and advances so the family can continue to live in the woods. Mom and Dad can pursure their artistic passions and the witch takes part in the kids' home schooling.....

Just a rough idea... fun though.... maybe someone might read it and get the idea that witches are real people who care, with real connections and talents and insights.... yikes. What a radical concept. bb talamh

Yvonne Belisle
October 10th, 2001, 03:14 PM
Storm Chaser what year is the copy of the Grimms Brothers that you are going from?

StormChaser
October 10th, 2001, 03:31 PM
I didn't give you grimms.
I gave you Disney.

I'm 19 and a disney freak. Though I read grimms when I was younger *about 9*, i prefered the bright colors and sounds of Disney, not to mention more uplifting messeges.. I'm an over enthusiastic optimist.

I would gladly give oodles of links to grimms fairy tales if you'd like the "original" stories to go off of. But many, if not most people under 25 haven't a clue about the Grimm's tales.Just as many haven't a clue of what a record player or an 8track is.

~Storm Chaser

Yvonne Belisle
October 10th, 2001, 03:41 PM
That's true they don't I was confused by your take on the witch in Rapunzle and was wondering if you had an older version than me or a newer one.

Euphoria
October 10th, 2001, 05:34 PM
I've got it ... it isnt exactly a fairy tale but hocus pocus shows u the prime example of stereotypes and misconception

Charysma