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Silvan
April 2nd, 2005, 10:15 AM
This ought to provoke some thought. I've seen ample evidence that a great many of you are cat lovers. Cat lovers, as a breed, in my experience, tend to find all people who are not cat lovers to be uncultured, disgusting troglodyte fiends. Revealing my nature as someone who has almost total apathy toward cat kind has proven itself to be a sure recipe to convince people who previously had positive feelings toward me that they had misjudged me badly. Yet share I must.

It is amazing the lore that surrounds the cat. They are widely thought to represent feminine energies, they are thought to be graceful, delicate while simultaneously powerful, and above all, to be self-sufficient and perfectly capable of caring for themselves. They are also prone to wild mood swings, and they can be all kiss kiss or all scratch scratch, and can change states at twice the speed of light, with no obvious provocation, again much like a woman. I have found that it is widely accepted that people who do not like cats are misogynists.

And yet, it has just occurred to me that cats are, in fact, more like men than women. Men are, as a breed, selfish, self-absorbed, uncompassionate, and they often can't be be bothered to think, say, or do anything unless it can satisfy their immediate desire to eat, rut, or crap.

I freely admit these faults of the male of the species, and there is no way I could ever be gay. Who could ever love one of us? We're obnoxious, and not terribly useful most of the time, and we're often stinky too. Yuck, who needs that?

And yet, I have just described the CAT perfectly as well. This thought came into my head as I was standing there this morning taking an absolutely bodacious whiz. SWMBO's pwecious widdle puddy tat, who makes a point to ignore me 99% of the time, came in and started doing that rub rub rub, nudge nudge nudge thing cat kind do when they want to encourage one of their human slaves to perform a desired function.

What selfishness! What hypocrisy! If I tried to pet this creature while she was taking a bodacious whiz in the box, she would reward me with a scratch at best, and at worst would go find my pillow and complete her business. To add insult to injury, she then ignored her food completely, and ran away from my attempt to pet her. :mad:

Self-reliance and independence may be cat qualities, but so are abject selfishness and apathy toward the feelings of others. Perhaps in cats we see a joining of the masculine and the feminine into one completely balanced, and astonishingly obnoxious creature. It just escapes me why we humans keep these things in our midst when the far more lovable dog graces creation with its presence.

In fact, one might find in the dog some of the best aspects of the feminine. Dogs are selfless, nurturing, loving, and they care deeply about something apart from their own immediate self interest. We can find in them some of the worst qualities of the feminine as well. A dog will follow a human even to the dog's peril, returning to an abuser again and again, laying down and rolling over, saying "He really loves me, he won't beat me again. I just know he won't. This time it's going to be different" even as the fiend human is flaying into the poor creature.

Anyway, there is is. Cats are, on balance, most like the worst part of men, and dogs are the embodiment of the most loving, nurturing aspects of women. I like women a great deal, and I like dogs a great deal too. Even if they do enjoy perfuming themselves with vulture sh!t upon occasion. This revelation probably explains why I am no great fan of the cat, but instead return its ambivalence in kind.

Perhaps, then, women, who are by and large the greatest fans of cat kind, are drawn to those creatures for similar reasons. Although I would submit that women who love cats might be displaying an alarming predilection toward a willingness to suffer the abused's fate. :sadman:

Goddess Rhiannon
April 2nd, 2005, 10:19 AM
Very interesting....great thread

ravenmyst
April 2nd, 2005, 10:23 AM
so what does that imply of a woman who has both cats and dogs????

rottencandy7
April 2nd, 2005, 10:50 AM
Ah! That would explain why men annoy the sh*t outta me AND i'm allergic to cats. (I'm a die hard dog person!) :uhhuhuh: It really puts a perspective on things. Awesome thread!

Silvan
April 2nd, 2005, 11:16 AM
so what does that imply of a woman who has both cats and dogs????
...or a man who has both dogs and cats. It's a fair question.

Maybe they're bisexual? :lol:

Or, more seriously, I suppose it might indicate a good state of balance.

skyler
April 2nd, 2005, 12:07 PM
That's really interesting, great thread!
I'm an 100% dog person.

I can't staaaand cats!
*runs wildly dodging tomatoes being thrown at her*

PoisonIvy
April 2nd, 2005, 12:20 PM
I thought dogs were more like men? _pounce_ Mmmm? Well,all I know is that if my hubby could lick himself,he'd never leave the house!!!! :thumbsup:

BelovedDru
April 2nd, 2005, 12:43 PM
... ^__^

That's all there is to say.

Raven Reed
April 2nd, 2005, 12:58 PM
Very thought provoking.

However, my cats are very loving. Wouldn't have them otherwise.

Darakash
April 2nd, 2005, 01:19 PM
Very thought provoking.

However, my cats are very loving. Wouldn't have them otherwise.

I had similar thoughts....I don't have any pets right now, but when i had cats, I actually had 4 at one time, and there was only one who was all of the "bad" cat traits, and I couldn't stand her! I only kept her because I had saved her and felt it was my responsibility to keep her....eventually, I found another home for her and didn't miss her at all! Now, the other three, were sweethearts, never scratched, were very very rarely aloof, and were sometimes more like "lap-dogs" than typical cats.....hmmmm, but I really don't care for actual dogs.

I still think this was an excellent thread with some really good thoughts and ideas.

Spera
April 2nd, 2005, 01:43 PM
I love dogs, always have. I have learned that cat lovers annoy me soemtimes... WHat they admire in cats are not qualities I possess. And I don't put up with some of the what is considered typical "male" behaviour-- which I think is dangerous stero-typing, men are not doomed to be a$$'s. I've known good ones.

rottencandy7
April 2nd, 2005, 01:52 PM
As always, there are exceptions to the rule. There are many dogs that far from embody the feminine traits and cats that don't embody the male traits. Same goes for the stereotyping of men (not many exceptions tho :smile: jk )

LightDancer
April 2nd, 2005, 01:57 PM
I guess the same could be said of cats as of humans, don't judge them all by the faults of a few. I happen to be the proud owner of two very loving and selfless kitty cats. One who takes my children's mauling while all the while purring, and one who sits on the edge of the bathtub to watch my kids have a bath, and then cuddles up with my youngest as she goes to sleep.
I don't hate dogs, I am just not a big fan of the slobbering, and when they swipe food out of my children's hands, or sit there drooling as we're trying to eat...this is just my experience with dogs and I'm sure not all dogs are like this. I also prefer cats because I really don't have alot of time at my disposal, so I would be doing a dog a disservice by being absent so often.

anyways I'll end my rambling post now;)

Jamie

ravenmyst
April 2nd, 2005, 02:26 PM
...or a man who has both dogs and cats. It's a fair question.

Maybe they're bisexual? :lol:

Or, more seriously, I suppose it might indicate a good state of balance.not Bi, but I am a Libra, rather fond of balance _whistle_ :smileroll

Silvan
April 2nd, 2005, 02:39 PM
I thought dogs were more like men? _pounce_ Mmmm? Well,all I know is that if my hubby could lick himself,he'd never leave the house!!!! :thumbsup:
Nah, we'd still have to leave the house to go buy beer.

:cheers:

Silvan
April 2nd, 2005, 03:04 PM
I had similar thoughts....I don't have any pets right now, but when i had cats, I actually had 4 at one time, and there was only one who was all of the "bad" cat traits, and I couldn't stand her! I only kept her because I had saved her and felt it was my responsibility to keep her...
I've had all kinds of cats. Big cats, small cats, short fats, tall cats, fat cats, skinny cats, cats who were only a few genes removed from mountain lions and lived for 20 years, and sickly, meek cats that expired after a few short years.

Mostly I keep winding up with cats because I keep finding kittens. I can't let the kittens die because I'm a big softie, but I never manage to get rid of all of them, and inevitably get stuck with more cats. And when I say "I" here, I'm really more properly referring to my extended family, including my mother. Between the two of us we have five or six currently, but I only have two here at my house.

I don't hate cats, I just return their apathy. I have found that apathy is the norm for the species. The dog-like loving cuddly little kitties are a rare find. Most of them are very self-contained, like the current crop.

And, interestingly... Someone else made mention of cats being good about tolerating the ministrations of little people with sticky, grabby hands. Thinking back on it, I haven't had a close bond with a cat since I became an adult. Maybe they don't like adult males. This cat in question gets along famously with my kids.

Interesting. Of course, it also plays back into the cats == male theme a bit too, doesn't it? I looooooooooooooove women, but I don't have very many close ties to the male of the species. Why hang out with men when there are so many deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelectable ladies :bug: :hearteyes: (that my wife won't let me have anything to do with :bangyourh ) ?

:muwaha:

wyrdmage
April 2nd, 2005, 03:45 PM
"lest we forget... I cat is one of a very few living beings that can cross acircle in use without disturbing the energy lines. That says volumes about why they are much thought of in human history. As for there seeming obnoxiousness.... my kids come darn close sometimes as well as others.. maybe we don't like having a mirror rub up against us. Besides, who wants to listen to us all the time anyway?:bumpsmili :bangyourh :clapping:

WokeUpDead
April 3rd, 2005, 12:28 AM
Meow

Rowan Darkmoon
April 3rd, 2005, 12:58 AM
I don't know...it's interesting, but I have seen dogs who have crazy mood swings, and cats who love to cuddle. In fact, all of my parent's cats, friend's cats, save one who is crazy, are not apathetic and love to be petted. :whatmewor I think you partly get what you expect with pets. :lol: This is true with people too to some extent, if you look for the stereotypes, they will be there.

Silvan
April 3rd, 2005, 03:31 AM
This is true with people too to some extent, if you look for the stereotypes, they will be there.

True, and there are always exceptions too. I know a big fat gay guy with no fashion sense and a really skinny truck driver. :falloffch

I can think of at least one really cuddly wuddly widdle puddy tat too, but it sure ain't SWMBO's. :D

PoisonIvy
April 3rd, 2005, 05:52 AM
Nah, we'd still have to leave the house to go buy beer.

:cheers:



:foopsies: My apologies!!!! I forgot about the beer! :lol:

AnuCailleach
April 3rd, 2005, 08:15 AM
Great thread...but you just pissed off my 3 cats :hehehehe:

butterflydreams
April 3rd, 2005, 08:45 AM
Luckily for me I've gotten lucky and all the ctas I have ever picked out or ended up with have been extremely loving kitties (the type that greet me when I get home or sleep next to me every night). My cat that I have now just loves attention and likes to be close to me the majority of the time. I'm not sure what that says about me. I suppose I just don't go for the stereotypical cats (or anything else really). My parents have a couple of dogs and they are very sweet but I feel more apathetic towards them. But. one of them jumping on me and pawing me all the time and the other knocking my daughter over a few times a week probably has more to do with that then apathy towards dogs in general.

Interesting thread though.

Twig
April 3rd, 2005, 10:44 AM
At that the Leo male ceases his almost inccescent grooming in mid stroke and a wry smile crosses his lips.

Sounds like someones jealous! Heheheh puuuuuuuurr.

Peace

Silvan
April 3rd, 2005, 12:25 PM
But. one of them jumping on me and pawing me all the time and the other knocking my daughter over a few times a week probably has more to do with that then apathy towards dogs in general.
I guess like all things it's a matter of taste. :) This whole jumping up and knocking over thing is part of their charm to us.