No Aura?

[ajna]

Perhaps this isn't the correct place to post this -- and I appologize if it isn't -- but I was looking for someone who might have a bit more information on this than I do. What does a person with no aura signify? What should you tell such a person? From what I've read it's quite a scary and serious matter and, frankly, I'm hoping for another interpretation. So what could cause the absence of an aura?

[halfwaynowhere]

i'm no expert or anything, but i think its rare to have no aura, if not impossible... it is my understanding that auras have several levels, so if you can't see the aura, it could be that that particular level is very faint.

[Kaylara]

It can mean a lot of things. The person could be consciously holding it in to avoid notice, they could be sick, although normally that shows, or the person looking at them may have something blocking that person. There are a few more, but I'm kinda out of it at the moment...

[ajna]

The energy surrounding the person was felt by the people nearest (2 people) as quite strong. The person who could see auras, however, didn't see anything around her. Oh I wish I knew more about auras...

[Jolantru]

I would say that this person is either consciously shielding himself or herself, or that there is an imbalance (brought on by ill health). Perhaps, this person has consciously willed his or her aura not to be seen - it's possible and he or she might be doing so for safety reasons.


Jolantru

[Teresa]

I would tend to concur with them shielding their aura from being seen.But since all details are not here it is just a conclusion from most common reasons list.

[cheddarsox]

I agree to the sheilding, I've been doing it myself lately. I am only putting myself out there is particular situations.

On the topic of "telling" the person. I would only go there if you know the person well, and even then, perhaps only in the contex of a conversation about such. If I had a close friend who understood such, I might bring it up, but never to a casual acquaintance.

cheddar

[Tabbykitty]

Hmmm I guess it is possible through shielding or strong intent or a spell to prevent an aura from being seen, but if strong energy is felt, then there definitely is something there, if not an aura then a shield or spell.... the one more or less objective way to find out if an aura exists is to go for a kirilian photograph. I'd like to see if the spell/shielding affects even that.

[Mistress_Ravenshadow]

I have never heard of a person not having an aura.. i would have to agree with everyone when they say the person may have been sheilding their aura.. you may be able to stop ppl from seeing it but I wouldnt think you could stop someone feeling it..The only way a person would not have an aura IMO would be if they were dead and gone for a while.. I tend to feel ppls auras instead of seeing them...for me it is a more acurate way of reading it..

[ajna]

We just recently discovered that she actually has some sort of a goetic demon following her about. Is it possible that this could hide her aura? Because she had not been sheilding herself.

[Jolantru]

Goetic demon?


Jolantru

[Tabbykitty]

hmmmmmm.. im curious... did ur friend summon up this demon or was involved in a ritual of this nature or perhaps offended someone who does summoning magick... reason I am askin is cos a Geotic demon relates to Goetic, defined as....

"Pertaining to that magic involving the invocation and binding of evil spirits to the service of humans. The Goetia is the first of 4 parts of the Lemegeton, or "Lesser Key of Solomon", a medieval manuscript regarding the hierarchies of the abyss by legions and millions. It contains forms of conjuration for 72 demons with an account of their powers and offices."


I guess it is possible for a person with an attached evil or dark spirit to have its effects seen in the person's aura. One of the effects is a darkening of the brightness of the aura, which might result in the effect of "no aura", as viewed by psychics. However, a simple kirilian photo will resolve the issue of whether your friend still has an aura or not.

If this is indeed the case, I'd advise ur friend to get rid of that demon as quick as possible. Cos local folklore has it that a supernaturally darkened aura (resulting from spirits and other nasties) can result in bad luck and perhaps even attract other metaphysical nasties to the person. (ie. Like energies attact like....)

[ajna]

hmmmmmm.. im curious... did ur friend summon up this demon or was involved in a ritual of this nature or perhaps offended someone who does summoning magick... reason I am askin is cos a Geotic demon relates to Goetic, defined as....

"Pertaining to that magic involving the invocation and binding of evil spirits to the service of humans. The Goetia is the first of 4 parts of the Lemegeton, or "Lesser Key of Solomon", a medieval manuscript regarding the hierarchies of the abyss by legions and millions. It contains forms of conjuration for 72 demons with an account of their powers and offices."


I guess it is possible for a person with an attached evil or dark spirit to have its effects seen in the person's aura. One of the effects is a darkening of the brightness of the aura, which might result in the effect of "no aura", as viewed by psychics. However, a simple kirilian photo will resolve the issue of whether your friend still has an aura or not.

If this is indeed the case, I'd advise ur friend to get rid of that demon as quick as possible. Cos local folklore has it that a supernaturally darkened aura (resulting from spirits and other nasties) can result in bad luck and perhaps even attract other metaphysical nasties to the person. (ie. Like energies attact like....)

Well firstly, I was just talking about myself in the third person this whole time, I do that when I'm especially nervous about something and I was nervous about this "no aura" thing.
Than I found out about my little "buddy". How would one go about getting rid of a goetic demon? This one is nasty...Leevey or Leery? We just call it Levi. It's been around since I was nine or younger and could be the cause of alot of nasty stuff that's been going on with me. Than again Levi might not be the cause either, but I'd still rather it be gone...

[Greybird]

Just to clarify things, how did you discover its nature and its identity?

[Tabbykitty]

erm..... you know its a little hard to get such a creature attached to one since a young age.... I mean, discounting "conspiracy-type" possibliities, the only way I can think of that you might have gotten one is if you stepped into a place where someone did a summoning previously and somehow left a portal open or didnt close the circle or something careless like that.....

perhaps you might like to describe its characteristics and who identified to you. And how the person was able to say it was such and such a creature.

[ajna]

As a reply to both greybird and tabbykitty, I can only believe I've had it there since age nine. I've had this feeling since about that age, give or take a year or two, of something pulling me downward or into something that I didn't want. It has been fairly consistent, and about two or three years ago I noticed that it was something "behind" me. Something that had been sticking around for a while. I tried not to give it much thought because when I thought about it, I took down a bit of a barrier and noticed it.
I found out what it was through a quite trivial way actually. A friend of mine was looking for her guardian and her ex-satanic friend's guardian is one of the goetic demons so she started to look there by using a pendulum and asking sigils. She didn't get a reply, but I, being uneducated in such things thought 'ah cool, i know i have a few things following me, it would be nice to know what/who they are'. A goetic demon doesn't sound too good to have following you around but my friend told me that Bune, the demon guardian of her friend, was quite nice -- my friend is extremely new to paganism and I am just now receving any form of instruction so she didn't know that they could be downright mean as well. So I used the sigils and the pendulum and I received a very strong answer from one of them. I looked it up online and here we are. I don't know how I got it, but after looking what it does up I was able to trace it back to my intermediate school (anywhere in 9-12 y/o) years.
So... yeah that's about all I know. And like I said, though I've been in practice for a very long time, I still remain quite uneducated so anything I did wrong, or was told wrong, etc. I would be most happy to know about.
oh yeah, forgot to add this, characteristics of this goetic demon (Lerajie/Lerie): Governs 30 legions of spirit and is said to cause battle and can cause wounds to become infected and prevent them from healing.
He can break up love affairs or marriages of rivals.
Of course I have no idea what the 30 legions of spirit are either.
Furthermore I can honestly say that I did not know what sigil stood for what when I was doing this and I checked everything over multiple times actually hoping for inactivity (I didn't really want to know a demon was following me).

[Tabbykitty]

HI Ajna,


its good that you recognise that demons can be downright mean and malicious and that you wanna get rid of it.

First of all, I'd like to find out from you what this entity actually looks like. Are you somehow able to see it? Has it done anything significant to you? What are some of its habits?

The reason I am askin this is that, despite the results of ur pendulum dowsing, this is not a 100% sure means of determining the identity of the entity, as attached entities to a person CAN also affect the pendulum swing. I have seen this happen on more than one occasion.

Also, when dowsing, one has to properly ground and connect to one's true source to establish a solid foundation for the stuff you are about to divine. I kinda need details about this entity so I can consult a few friends about its true identity and perhaps come up with a way you can get rid of it.

I know this might sound a little redundant, but I think that your first option should be seeking help from more senior members of your local pagan or new age community. Find someone you can meet face-to-face who has knowledge of such things to help you get rid of it. When looking for someone to help you, try to steer clear of shady characters and people who are either too immature, unsure of themselves or have too little knowledge of stuff.

[Sage Rainsong]

Well if you are of a ceremonial type of person you could try doing the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram. This should get rid of it.

Use the Right hand or a Wand always when gesturing. Do not speak the parenthetical words, these are only for explanation while reading the text. Speak only the words in all CAPS. If discretion is required, you may whisper or even perform the whole ritual silently, saying the words only in your mind.



Touch Forehead: ATEH (Unto Thee)

Genitals: MALKUTH (The Kingdom)

R Shoulder: VE-GEBURAH (Power)

L Shoulder: VE-GEDULAH (Glory)

Chest: LE-OLAM (Eternity), AUM!

(The above is called the Qabalistic Cross.)



Facing E: Make a Yellow Pentagram in the air with right hand or wand, saying: YEHOVAH

Turn to S: Red Pentagram: ADONAI

Turn to W: Blue Pentagram: EHIEH (pronounced AY-I-AY)

Turn to N: Green Pentagram: AGALA



(Return to facing East, with arms outstretched to each side)

BEFORE ME . . . RAPHAEL!

BEHIND ME . . . GABRIEL!

ON MY RIGHT HAND . . . MICHAEL!

ON MY LEFT HAND . . . AURIEL!

FOR ABOUT ME FLAME THE PENTAGRAMS AND UPON THE COLUMN STANDS THE SIX RAYED STAR OF FORCE AND FIRE!

Repeat the Qabalistic Cross and you have completed the ritual


Hope this helps, and please let us know

[ajna]

Thank you both for your suggestions. Seeing as how I am a cautious person, I am going to ask around a bit before trying anything on my own and even then I might have a friend nearby to watch out for me.
I have never seen it in as far as I can remember. I can only sense shadows of entities and get a feeling of intent, I don't have the gift of seeing them myself. I have sensed three shadows behind me that look identical though I'm not sure all the shadows have malicious intent. When I concentrate on only sensing one, I seem to get the meanest one. For all I know all three shadows could be the same being and I have had a malicious male showing up in my tarot readings since I recently picked up my cards again. I also used to have nightmares about a being that appeared in the same form: a shadow-like entity that does not have a body and exists on another plane. That has stuck with me because for as long as I can remember, and earlier than that according to my dad, I have had progressively worse nightmares of things chasing me. When I'd fight that thing back I would move up to another level of sorts until I finally reached this entity. I had a few dreams with it in it until, being the little dream analyzer I was at the time, I tried turning around to dispell the being (I was always fairly conscious in these nightmares). It didn't disappear, but I stopped having dreams about it soon after and it was about that same time that I started noticing that the thing I had felt behind me as a child was still there. It wasn't until now that I realized that the image in my dream and the thing I've been feeling behind me look alike and have the same feeling to me.
I don't know if it is closely related to whatever it is, since I don't know enough about any of this, but I have unusually poor health for a healthy person. I used to think that I might be a hyopchondriac, but ruled that out when it turned out that I really was just falling ill alot. I also tend to attract very malicious people and people who need things. That could just be me, I know I tend to emit energy so I attract a lot of what my friends call 'vampiric' people who like to feed off me a bit...
Ah, but I digress. I don't wuite know what information you're looking for because I don't really know how much there is to give.

[Rev R]

30 legion=30,000 give or take

[Tabbykitty]

Hi Ajna,


I'll get back to you in a week or so with some details about how you can go about getting rid of this entity. In this meantime, try to research your options.

Tabbykitty