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Firestorm
October 11th, 2001, 05:17 PM
tell me then how do you pronounce the name of her Lord-Protector?

Mairwen
October 11th, 2001, 06:04 PM
Lord Protector? What are you talking about ??? :rolleyes:

Danustouch
October 11th, 2001, 06:46 PM
hmmmmmm..very odd terms to describe a Consort I think. But..that's just my opinion.

Avena
October 12th, 2001, 04:21 AM
Consort of Brighid, or what is this thread about? What about Dagda? Isn't he THE Irish god who can be consort of every goddess?

Myst
October 12th, 2001, 04:25 AM
Well first, according to my source Brigid is Welsh; but then I find her listed as Irish elsewhere too. And second, according to this, her consort is Senchan Torpeist (perhaps some mortal? I've never heard of him)

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/WoundedDove/welsh.html

But according to this, in Irish myth her consort (and father) is Dagda

http://www.teenwitch.com/DEITY/CELTIC/BRIGIT.HTM

Another source says her consort was Bres

http://www.offcenter.org/~demeter/handfasting/reasoning.html

And incidentally Brigid of all Goddesses needs no "protector".

Mairwen
October 12th, 2001, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Myst
Well first, according to my source Brigid is Welsh; but then I find her listed as Irish elsewhere too.

Bridget is considered part of the Welsh Pantheon, but she's inherently Irish.


And second, according to this, her consort is Senchan Torpeist (perhaps some mortal? I've never heard of him)

Who? I've never heard of that name before, either.


And incidentally Brigid of all Goddesses needs no "protector".

Amen.

Danustouch
October 12th, 2001, 01:54 PM
Brighid, Bridget, Bride, were all names for Brighid, "Bright Arrow".
I always Call upon Dagda as her consort. And I HEARTILY agree with the sentiment that of ALL Celtic Goddesses, Brighid would be the LEAST likely to need a protector...LOL. Sometimes I think the term.."SpitFire" was probably coined after Brighid ;)

She is associated with the element of fire, after all...and being an IRISH Goddess in the first place, if she was anything like your typical irish woman...i Think she'd have CLOBBERED any guy who thought himself her "protector". LOL.

Mairwen
October 12th, 2001, 05:16 PM
:rotfl:

Right on! ;)

Avena
October 13th, 2001, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by Danustouch
And I HEARTILY agree with the sentiment that of ALL Celtic Goddesses, Brighid would be the LEAST likely to need a protector...LOL.

Then who would be the MOST likely to need a protector, hmh? ;)

Danustouch
October 13th, 2001, 09:19 AM
Hmmmmm..good question...ummm..what pantheon is Dierdre??? She seems like a likely candidate! heheheh...

(looks into the sky to make sure there is no lightning.)

Avena
October 13th, 2001, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Danustouch
Hmmmmm..good question...ummm..what pantheon is Dierdre??? She seems like a likely candidate! heheheh...

(looks into the sky to make sure there is no lightning.)

:lol:

....maybe offtopic but who is Deidre???

Mairwen
October 13th, 2001, 11:53 AM
Unless I'm mistaken, she's Irish, as well.

Avena
October 13th, 2001, 12:06 PM
ok...Irish goddess, I see...but what makes her need a "lord-protector"? (Even more off-topic I'm afraid :huh: ...maybe I should start a new thread like "Who is Deidre?" just for the rules' sake ... *shrug*)

Mairwen
October 13th, 2001, 12:33 PM
Deirdre ... Tragic heroine of the Ulster Cycle whose well-known narrative is one of the Three Sorrows of Storytelling of Irish Tradition, which can be found in the Book of Lenster and the Yellow Book of Lecan, and is a prologue of the epic Cattle Raid of Cooley.

Bridget ... One of the three patron saints of Ireland, along with St Patrick and St Colum Cille. She is often referred to as "Mary of the Gael". She was a patroness of Leinstermen and was thought to favor them in times of war. She was the daughter of the Dagda and according to the Cattle Raid of Cooley, the wife of Senchan Torpeist. Under the name Brígh, she is described as having mated with Bres to produce Ruadan, who was killed whne he tried to kill Goibniu. At her son's death, Bridget lamented in the first keening ever heard in Ireland.

Senchan Torpeist ... As for this person ... Connacht poet reputed to have saved the Cattle Raid of Cooley (the telling of) from oblivion. According to a widely-known story, he was trying vainly to piece together the narrative when Ferfus mach Roich appeared to him in a vision and recited the entire poem. Less fabulous narratives assert that he was the leader of the great bardic assembly and chief of the poets of Ireland after Dallan Forgaill.

~ and fwiw, just because a woman is "married" to a man, that doesn't make that man her "lord and protector". *snort*

~ PS ~ all information taken from The Dictionary of Celtic Mythology by the Matthews.

Avena
October 13th, 2001, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Mairwen
Deirdre ... Tragic heroine of the Ulster Cycle whose well-known narrative is one of the Three Sorrows of Storytelling of Irish Tradition, which can be found in the Book of Lenster and the Yellow Book of Lecan, and is a prologue of the epic Cattle Raid of Cooley.

many thanks :sunny:


Originally posted by Mairwen
~ and fwiw, just because a woman is "married" to a man, that doesn't make that man her "lord and protector". *snort*


tell it girl! :thumbsup:

Myst
October 13th, 2001, 02:10 PM
I knew Mari would have the answers in this thread :)

Shadowulfe
October 13th, 2001, 06:10 PM
i also started a thread in gods and goddesses describing who Deirdre is. I figured I would post it there because this post is about Brigit and i didnt want to be moderated for going off-topic so i just descided to start a new thread

Mairwen
October 13th, 2001, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by Myst
I knew Mari would have the answers in this thread :)

*looking for that blushing smilie*:rolleyes:

Siren
October 19th, 2001, 06:38 PM
okay....i am gonna spout off some info about brigit...it may take a while...but bear with me....

Other names and titles of Brigit:

Brigh="Power"
Brighid bhoidheach=bride the beautiful
Brighid, Bride (Scottish)
Brid, Brigit, Bridget, Brigantia (English)
Brigan, Brigindo (Gaul)
Brighid of the Green Mantle
Lady of the Shores
Brigandu, Briginda, Brigdu
Breo-saighit/Saighead=The Flame of Ireland, the flaming arrow
Brighid-nan-sitheachseang=Bridgid of the slim fairy folk
Brighit-Suagh (or Sloigh)=Brighid of the Imortal Host
Christian Name=Muime Chriosd="Foster Mother of Christ

Siren
October 19th, 2001, 06:44 PM
I know you hear my voice
Many a night you have cried my tears,
I am the one who has been
With you all these years.
It is my song you sang,
A hymn to the goddess
Long before you knew a goddess
Walked your dreams and path.
Brigit Mother
Brigit Guardian
Brigit Mother
Brigit Guardian
Walk with me and
Let me hold your hand

You know the words
You sing my poems
Mother Brigit
Brigit Guardian
Poetess of our dreams
Walk with me,
I teach you the same
Songs sung of old,
THe message and the
Melody stay the same
I am the one who sings
The songs that give man hope,
I am the voice of poetry
Singing in your dreams.

Deep in the night,
When the moon is full,
Deep in a circle,
Voice chant my songs,
Do you hear their voices,
Calling to me?
I am the mother, the maiden, the Crone
Of all poets and poetry,
My gift is the poems that
Weave spells around the
Hearts of man
And give his dreams flight,
Raise your voices and chant
Mother Brigit, Brigit Guardian

Do you hear my singing,
Child it is my blessings
That are granted to all but Understood by so few
It is my poems that will reduce you
To tears like a child
Or make you soar among the clouds,
I am the poetess and guardian
Call in me and listen to hear my voice.

Siren
October 19th, 2001, 06:49 PM
Brigitania, Shining Queen of
Heaven,
You, our Maiden, Mother and
Crone,
You are earth-children's own.
From Green Isle to distant shore,
Far flung, your tales have spread.
They tried, but your fire would
not die;
Eternal be the flame of Lady
Bride.
Inspire us with your wisdome.
May the words to honor you
spring up,
As flowers after winter's dearth.
We drink of your healing milk,
quicken in us the Spirit's
rebirth.
May we forge a holy work,
Crafted with generous peace,
Made golden by love.
Such will not fade.
And keep us ever safe
Under your mantle,
Dearest Brigit, Fair Queen of
Heaven.