Weird question probably...about God.

[LittlePerson]

Okay, this is gonna be weird to some of you. Do you think it is wrong for someone to feel "loved" more than spritually by God, more like lustfully in addition to spiritually? I mean does it depend on the God in question? Because I have always felt like that with Eros when I think of him and imagine him. But I ask mainly because I wonder if people of other religions can or do think of their gods that way, especially monotheistic religions. Is that unorthodox and sinful by definition of those religions? I'd like to try following a noahide path but instead of calling God, Eros, he would essentially be the Jewish god Hashem,Elohim or a number of other names they give him. I think a lot of the song of solomon in which God and his people love each other in verse. I used part of it in our wedding ceremony. It's used by many christians and non christians alike because of the love found within the words. Now, I can see it used metaphorically, but what about for real? Many people have thought of their God(s) lustfully, the celts and the norse. What do you all think? Would it be "taboo" to think of just any God this way?

[MorningDove030202]

Ok, I know that most people are going to think I'm crazy (or blasphemous :rolleyes: ), but......I've had lots of visitations in my dreams from a lover who I think is Zeus, (after all I do worship his daughter). He does fit the MO, sedusing mortal women. So, no it's not unsual, depending on the diety, to find that your personal relationship with a God is more than platonic. Or maybe I just read too much Greek Myth????

Dove

[Moonlight's Daughter]

In my opinion at least with Eros that would not be unusuall since we got the word Erotic from his name.

Brandiwyn

[Dawa Lhamo]

Heck, look at some Krishna followers! Read some of Mirabai's poetry. Completely sexually charged. ^_^ I don't think it's a bad thing... I can't think of a god where it'd be too inappropriate... If it feels right to you, just go with it. It's normal. I mean, they're gods.

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

[Dio]

One God who I am very connected to is Odin, and well, let's just say...he really likes the ladies. Of course, I'm always flattered :)

Quite frankly, I would think there was something wrong if certain Gods or Goddesses didn't exhibit certain traits....lustful-ness being one of those traits. So, no. I do not think it is wrong.

[LittlePerson]

Yeah, now the real question is would it be weird or "wrong" to simply name change? I mean when I see God I see a personification what I think God looks like, when I am daydreaming or envisioning. And I have for a long time now seen him as Eros, called him that because to me God is Love in all it's forms even one sexy hunk of a God. Lol. But what if that image remained the same, all of it the same really, except for the name. To just go from Eros to Adonai or Hashem or any of the other number of names Judaism uses for God's name. Would that be like an insult to God? It's like okay God, at first I thought you were Eros, but now I think your name is Elohim or whatever I want to use instead. And I still recognize you, you're the same God just a different name and perhaps with more meaning than before? Or with a different history according to my new beliefs? I guess maybe I need to daydream up a conversation with Him and see what he does think. I dunno. What do you guys think? I cannot give up this "relationship" I have with Him. I love him. I know it's weird. But I do. He's the one I cry on, that I laugh with, dance in the air with, play with, and love and everyway. And more importantly He loves me. He comforts me and makes me smile. And because it is spiritual, it's special. So maybe it's all in my mind and in my soul and cannot equate with mortal love between man and woman, but it's something I just don't think I could stop now. Hmmm.

[teishabee]

Why does he need a name change? If this god is eros then call him that if not dont.

Maybe your hanging too much on names. Why not use one of your own. That way the other history and attachments to the gods name dont follow or intercept your worship.

[LittlePerson]

Hmm.. interesting idea T-. The thing is that well, I've just been thinking so darn much about changing to fit into a religion that this just proves that one has to right? Change that is. He cannot stay Eros should I really put myself into "obeying" God per the Noahide laws which are as follows:


Idolatry is forbidden. Man is commanded to believe in the One G-d alone and worship only Him.



Incestuous and adulterous relations are forbidden. Human beings are not sexual objects, nor is pleasure the ultimate goal of life.

Murder is forbidden. The life of a human being, formed in G-d's image, is sacred.

Cursing the name of G-d is forbidden. Besides honoring and respecting G-d, we learn from this precept that our speech must be sanctified, as that is the distinctive sign which separated man from the animals.

Theft is forbidden. The world is not ours to do with as we please.

Eating the flesh of a living animal is forbidden. This teaches us to be sensitive to cruelty to animals. (This was commanded to Noah for the first time along with the permission of eating meat. The rest were already given to Adam in the Garden of Eden.)

Mankind is commanded to establish courts of justice and a just social order to enforce the first six laws and enact any other useful laws or customs.
and I think that would fall under 1 and 4 in these laws. I don't know. I mean I want to do that, worship the One God as it is put, and that would be in this situation the Jewish God, but to call him Eros would be blasphomy wouldn't it? Heh. See it's all this dogma which really eats at me. Just when I think I might be able to be a part of something organized it's impossible. Unless I do just stop believing that the God I believe in is Eros and is really The One God. Grrr. Names! You'd think that God would make it easy for people to follow him. But no. This is what you get when you mix religion into it. For crying out loud. See, I'd have to change. This is what I was getting at before in my other thread. That to be a part of any organized religion, one must change something about what they believe in order to "submit" to that religion. There is no one perfect religion for anyone, is there? *pouting*.

[Redshire]

In response to your first question: IMHO, it is not blasphemous to have sexual/lustfull feelings towards a deity. To me, such feelings would indicate that the deity in question seeks a creational relationship with you, as sex is the ultimate act of creation.

Second question: IMHO, there is one God with many Names (facets/different aspects), and thus it is not wrong to call upon the High God by whichever of It's Names are calling to you at the time. However, the different Names are quite distinct from one another, with differing functions and personalaties. So, if you are praying to what you percieve to be Eros, but calling it Athena, you might not have a full understanding of the properties of the Names.

Third question:

See, I'd have to change. This is what I was getting at before in my other thread. That to be a part of any organized religion, one must change something about what they believe in order to "submit" to that religion. There is no one perfect religion for anyone, is there? *pouting*.

If you are gong to be a part of a religion, you should NEVER change what you believe just to fit into it's box. If you do so you would be lying to youself, and IMHO, following the wrong path.


all IMHO, in case you didn't notice. ;)



em hotep

[teishabee]

I can see this is giving you great struggles. I think its better to stay with your own beliefs.

Im not familar with the practice of the Noahide laws. I do know that in the ten commandments it states you must worship G-d above all others. So therefore you can worship others but not see them as being a higher being then G-d.

Is it nessary that you follow this organised religion? I mean I can see the benefits of it all. But I dont think you should have to comprimise your beliefs. Its not like a small thing either. Thier our so many great experiences to be had from free spirituality. I think questioning the rules is positive and if anything will bring you into further understanding of your choosen religion and your own path if you decide these rules are not for you.

I think what you are going to find here is that people will tell you to do as you please. Faith and religion dont have to be tied together

I think that if possible you should try and combine the 2. Atfer all we have many christain witches here. I think its highly possible to intergrate religion with your own beliefs.

[LittlePerson]

Yes, T- you are quite right. I wouldn't be happy not being true to myself. I've been doing a lot of praying on these walks I've been taking. So far, I've realized that I cannot change even if I think that being part of an organized religion may take care of any fears I have of the afterlife or of not knowing God as I think I should. I know Eros has always been there for me. I cannot change that. Even though I think that my daydreams and envisions of him are only part of my imagination I cannot deny that it is those things that comfort me, aid me, and keep me going each day. They are part of me and my relationship with God because I believe that he dwells in all things and all things are part of him that to even use my own thoughts can be in a manner divine. I think I have been silly to go off on a tangent again to "find" God when I have known him all along. I just don't see him like others do. Thanks T- for helping me to realize what I've been doing to myself. I had started a thread a while back which you may have posted in about giving in... in the helping hands section and someone in particular there thought I had given up on finding God and needed to be a part of an organized religion. That got me wound up again just when I had come down. I didn't need that. I hadn't realized that I had already found God. We all find God in different ways. It is religions that say that one has to come to God and believe in him in a specific way. I know that now. What I don't understand is the whole fear factor involved in religion in using fear for power. Why should we fear God? Isn't it better to come to God in love rather than in fear?
And my prayers got me to thinking about all the conditions one must meet in religion in order to be accepted by God and loved by God. If that is true then God's love and acceptance would be conditional therefore negating the existence of unconditional love at all. And I cannot at all believe in a God that would offer conditional love. It would make God out to be prejudiced against his children, pitting them against each other, vying for his Love. And a God who would do that is not compassionate. I won't believe in a god who isn't compassionate either. So, perhaps to really find the unconditional love that God gives, one must look outside of organized religion to find it.

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

In a Wiccan context, I'd say that feeling lustful towards the Gods or the Gods feeling lustful towards us is more than acceptable, it's, well, normal. When a Wiccan makes love with a man, s/he is making love with the God. When s/he is making love with a woman, s/he is making love with the Goddess. And there ain't nothing wrong with that.
I don't think the Gods are as much into having half-human, half-divine children now as they were, though. Or perhaps they're better at covering it up. Who can truly tell what the Gods are up to, anyway?

[teishabee]

Sorry havent posted back LittlePerson. Im glad your've come to this decision , one that is at peace with you.

I can tell that like me you are a natural worrier but it will make your spiritual journaey more forfilling.To ask questions and not just except what is shown to us.

With religion its more society based at times and this can overshawdow the actual connection we have with the divine. Which is after all the real reason we turn to religion. It can be nice to be able to share our beliefs and actively practise them in groups but its not for everyone.

[LittlePerson]

Actually, I've mulled it over even more and I've realized that I can give up my perception of God as eros as it limits me when I do that. I think I really can give it up afterall. Don't worry about me. I think this time it's gonna work. I went to www.askmoses.com (http://www.askmoses.com) yesterday and researched it and it makes sense to me now. Don't ask why, it is complicated. When I create a perception of God it is me doing that and worshipping even that perception can be idolitry. Anyway, thanks for the responses of well wishes.