The cartoon network...

[Laiste]

has been airing some extremely contoversial programming...This evening my husband, son and myself were watching the cartoon network and I can't believe the shows they were airing!! Needless to say I stopped my son from watching it when I realized the content. The shows were obviously quite old, maybe from the 40's-60's would be my guess. They depicted things like racial profiling, Jews with big noses, hitler screaming about the "crazy ducks", a swasticker(sp?) on a bomb, a silly, nieve Navy man singing about going off to war! I understand that these are "just cartoons" but these programs started at 7:30 at night! There are pleanty of children who are up and about at that hour. I just think that their choice of programing was intentional and ignorant. In these times I would think that they would be more sensitive! I have already sent them an email expressing my opinion and am waiting for their response...if any.

Did anyone else happen to catch any of these programs...if so what are your view on it?

[Myst]

Ok I hear some people complaining that regular shows and movies are being edited or postponed because of "oversensitivity" and now people complaining that shows shouldn't be shown because of what happened, again? I guess everyone has their own opinions but really I'm beginning to understand why networks and entertainment companies have to tread so softly

[Daniel]

Originally posted by Laiste

I just think that their choice of programing was intentional and ignorant. In these times I would think that they would be more sensitive!First of all, by definition, it is not possible for someone to do something out of ignorance and do it for the effect it has on other people intentionally. Ignorance suggests a lack of knoledge on a particular subject. As such, someone couldn't be ignorant of how offensive something is and yet do it simply to offend people.

In any event.

The soloution is painfully simple: if you're watching television with impressionable young children, you don't watch any show about which you have no knoledge or with which you have no experience. To watch an "offensive" television show with your kids and not know ahead of time that it is in fact "offensive" is, by definition, ignorant behavior.

If you think a particular show looks interesting, watch it first and see if it's appropriate (and tape it if it's a one-time deal). If it's good, let your kids see it. If it's crap, don't let your kids see it.

The fact is, these networks are trying to satisfy many different kinds of people at once, since they're not local broadcasters. There will be good stuff, and crap. Deal with it.

[Laiste]

I was only complaining about the shows context because of the fact that it was on at 7:30 on a Sunday evening...primetime viewing for children. I have no objection to airing subjectable programing at other times or on channels that are more suited toward adults. My sons tv viewing is restricted and after the first few minutes of viewing the first objectionable program, at my request, he went to his room to play. I briefly watched the rest of the show and am glad I chose not to let my son watch it. I do preview all of his viewing and the video games he plays and will continue to do so untill he's old enough to decide for himself.

I think some people are taking the sensitivity issue too far, I am not one of them, except when it comes to my sons viewing. Lately I have seen a few movies with terrorism and scenes of the NYC skyline. It's a little creepy, but nothing to really complain about.

Oh... excuse me for using the words intentional and ignorant in the same reference! Silly me...guess I wasn't paying attention to every detail of my post.

[Mythrel]

In all reality, these shows probably need to be yanked off the air now days. But in my opinion people are just too sensitive and easily offended these days. Everyone seems to have a bug in there butts!!! Just take it with a grain of salt and stop sweating it. These are probably some of the same shows you watched as a kid or growing up...what effect did it have on you? Are you a rascist now, bigot of some kind, I think not....chill people
Mythrel

[Margie]

Originally posted by Myst
Ok I hear some people complaining that regular shows and movies are being edited or postponed because of "oversensitivity" and now people complaining that shows shouldn't be shown because of what happened, again? I guess everyone has their own opinions but really I'm beginning to understand why networks and entertainment companies have to tread so softly
Are the same people who are complaining about strictness also complaining about leniency? If they are, that would make them hypocritical. If it is indeed two different people (or two different sets of people) then what's wrong with disagreeing? It's a big country we live in and there's no way for everyone to feel the same.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by Margie

Are the same people who are complaining about strictness also complaining about leniency? If they are, that would make them hypocritical. If it is indeed two different people (or two different sets of people) then what's wrong with disagreeing? It's a big country we live in and there's no way for everyone to feel the same.Here's what I don't like about the complainers:

It is a fact that people are more likely to complain than compliment a television network for its programming. People are more likely to complain than compliment a business for anything it does. This is mostly because they expect it to be good, and so if it's bad that's when they decide they have something to speak up about.

As such, you could have a bunch of people complain about a show and have the execs think that that's how the public feels about it. Meanwhile, the 100 billion people who loved it are denied the opportunity to continue to love it.

As far as I'm concerned, vote with your remote. Ratings are a much better measure of what the public wants to see and what it doesn't.

[Traz Heart]

Hello

If you want to edit Old cartoons why not start with old movies.

Thats right hack up all the clasics from the 40's and stuff.

Start with every movie a white guy is in black face.
Why cause it is not "Politcaly Correct Now."

Sorry if cartoons from the past did what movies from the past do. They reflect the times that they were made in, even if the movie is based in another time period.

So go back edit I Love Lucy and The Honey Mooners while your at it.

I'm Less worried about Kids or people seeing cartoons and what messages are in them then watching the news.

The News is Real and usually Live and unedited now that is something we can't have. (sarcasum)

Oooopps, thats right people who want movies and tv and cartoons edited like the news.

They should stop worrieing about Cartoons and movies and worry about the Soap Operas their kids watch with them.
Now there is a type of show that has great morals.

One day they are married next day he is having an affair and the next day she is in a coma and wakes up a week later.

Sorry just got in a Rant hope some of it makes scense

-Traz-

[Daniel]

Not only do I agree with everything you just said, but your avatar kicks some serious a$$.

Thank you, that is all.

[Yvonne Belisle]

Personally I use them as a lesson. I ask my kids why they think these things are wrong. You might be surprised at the answers. We do this with movie violence predudism and hate. Sometimes you have to take the negative and make something positive.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by Yvonne Thomas
Personally I use them as a lesson. I ask my kids why they think these things are wrong. You might be surprised at the answers. We do this with movie violence predudism and hate. Sometimes you have to take the negative and make something positive. Insert thunderous applause here.

Finally, someone with a constructive way to handle the deluge of objectionable material.

[Laiste]

Traz,

I do understand where your coming from...but I never said anything about editing any programs...I was just stating my concern about the timing of the program...and I certainly DO NOT let my child watch the news...and I don't watch the Soaps either!

Daniel,

I feel that people do have a right to complain about certain programing...I for one have also praised certain childrens channels and have supported them...for instance I am a big supporter of PBS. As far as businesses are concerned I handle it the same way...I support the businesses I like and don't give my business to the ones I don't.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by Laiste

I feel that people do have a right to complain about certain programing...I for one have also praised certain childrens channels and have supported them...for instance I am a big supporter of PBS. As far as businesses are concerned I handle it the same way...I support the businesses I like and don't give my business to the ones I don't.You have a right to complain. I just don't like how strong an impact the complaining has with network execs, especially when the satisfied masses are, comparitively, remaining silent.

If people have problems with television programming, turn it off. The ratings people will notice, and so will the network execs.

[Laiste]

Originally posted by Yvonne Thomas
Personally I use them as a lesson. I ask my kids why they think these things are wrong. You might be surprised at the answers. We do this with movie violence predudism and hate. Sometimes you have to take the negative and make something positive.

This is good advise Yvonne. I try to do this with my son...but lately it is difficult...he is quite disturbed about the events of late and I feel that talking about the subjet is enough for him to handle right now...he does not need and more images stuck in his young mind. Which, by the way is why this choice of programming annoyed me so much. I think under normal circumstances I would have simply changed the channel and never posted about it.

[Mythrel]

Originally posted by Traz Heart

So go back edit I Love Lucy and The Honey Mooners while your at it.


As you said, let's just go back and edit all the old shows from the PAST (something that people should worry a bit less about). I can't believe how people can see their hypocrisy...most probably watched the shows growing up that they want to edit now...

Originally posted by Traz Heart

I'm Less worried about Kids or people seeing cartoons and what messages are in them then watching the news.


The news is a scary thing anymore, nothing but death, murder, rape, etc. etc. I don't watch the news anymore. It's depressing and in all reality, very brutal. But no one ever complains when there children are watching the evening news...

Originally posted by Traz Heart

They should stop worrieing about Cartoons and movies and worry about the Soap Operas their kids watch with them.
Now there is a type of show that has great morals.

One day they are married next day he is having an affair and the next day she is in a coma and wakes up a week later.

-Traz-

SO SO TRUE!!! somehow watching the roadrunner out smart the coyote for the billionth time(which I personally love!!) is worse than letting your 4 year old watch the Days of Our Lives, I don't get it...soap operas are the epitome of pathetic programming...

alright getting off my soap box now
--steps down---
Mythrel

[Yvonne Belisle]

They have already begun editing the old fairy tales to be PC and I find that horrid. I don't think it's that much farther before they do something as horrid as editing the old tv classics and movies. The news is appauling in the things that they show and many schools ask that kids be alloud to watch the news. I don't let the kids watch it and personally my life is like a soap opera so I have never liked them. At least my life doesn't have all the sensless sex and twisted plots in it that make no sense. I have never been able to sit through a whole show. I am rather glad in many ways that my tv gets no stations because it gives me far greater control over what my kids watch. They have had the differense between fantasy and reality stressed to them and I have taught them how to do many of the special effects in the movies taking the horror out of horror. We will often talk about what we watched and what we think about it and why for me it just makes sense that way. You can't keep kids from seeing these things but you can influence the way that percieve them and deal with them.

[Myst]

Originally posted by Margie

Are the same people who are complaining about strictness also complaining about leniency? If they are, that would make them hypocritical. If it is indeed two different people (or two different sets of people) then what's wrong with disagreeing? It's a big country we live in and there's no way for everyone to feel the same.

Nothing's wrong with disagreeing. Reread the post "I guess everyone has their own opinions but really I'm beginning to understand why networks and entertainment companies have to tread so softly" - meaning, everyone has their own opinions but that's a reason why networks & entertainment companies have to tread softly. It was a comment and observation, not a complaint that people disagree.

[Myst]

Just reread everything Daniel and Yvonne said and add a check for me, because I agree totally. Especially with Daniel's post about how to make sure a show is ok for your child, and Yvonne's on how to talk to your children about shows.

When I was younger we watched everything the adults did, even if it meant watching Schwarzennegger, Stallone, or Van Damme kicking butt and shooting people when I was barely in school. My parents would just sit with us and explain which parts were fake, and which parts of the shows and movies were "not real stuff you can do", or asked questions like Yvonne mentioned. Parents have the obligation here to sit and talk with their kids or switch the channel.