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random
March 12th, 2001, 11:19 PM
i found out that one of the poular teen magazines, for which i have no means in reading,
placed a section in one of their issues on Wicca/Witchcraft. They put Runes and love and banishing spells only in there. From my understanding, the mag. got a huge reply from crazed readers say how insensative all of it was.
Now, unfortunatly, dangerous people could be doin dangerous things.

I was just wondering, what do you think about this?

rantnraven
March 12th, 2001, 11:33 PM
Unfortunately, this has been going on for thousands of years. Ever since the first Book of Shadows was made public and even before. One mag article won't hurt much. Besides, those who have read it and try it generally don't get results because they don't really believe.

Now, if the entire Church of Rome practiced... Houston, we could have a problem. But then again, that would make them all Pagan wouldn't it?

FFT

-Thoma

Kaylara
March 12th, 2001, 11:46 PM
Here is the article from seventeen magazine on Brandi Blackbear... I don't know if this is what you were talking about or not, please PM me the name of this magazine, so I can check it out... Here's the article:

Witch Hunt

Kids said I was practicing Wicca and had hexed my teacher. So the school kicked me out.

by Brandi Blackbear

You put a spell on him, didn't you, my friend Andrew* joked. He was referring to my ceramics teacher, Mr. Kemp, who'd been rushed to the emergency room the night before. Right, I put a spell on him, I said. We laughed, and I headed to my morning algebra class. But at Union Intermediate High School in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, where I'm now a sophomore, our conversation became big news and, just a few hours later, got me kicked out of school. It sounds unbelievable, yet by noon that day everybody thought that I was a witch who had hexed Mr. Kemp.

Worse, my so-called friend Andrew had apparently started this rumor as a joke. When I saw Andrew sitting with his friends at lunch, I walked right up to him and told him to stop telling people that I'd made Mr. Kemp sick. He just laughed, still thinking it was funny. He knew I was interested in Wicca, and he had been hanging out in the middle school library with me when I'd checked out a book about religions, including Wicca. I like to write, and Wicca sounded cool -- maybe I could use it in a story. I was raised Catholic, but I'm half Cherokee, and the way modern-day witches worship the elements -- earth, wind, fire, water and spirit -- actually reminded me of some Native American beliefs. I'd never cast any spells, and Andrew knew that. Maybe he thought I was overreacting, but it's hard to imagine him not noticing the way everybody in the cafeteria was staring at me and whispering. I couldn't eat with them watching me, so I headed to a stairwell. I needed to be alone.

At every school there are some kids who end up getting picked on, and I'm one of them. I'm kind of shy.
Plus I'm interested in stuff that other people think is weird -- paranormal phenomena, different religions and horror novels, so I don't really fit into the popular-girl, athlete kind of crowd. I'd even been the victim of another false rumor the year before. Immediately after Columbine, a girl told everyone that I was going to shoot all the kids at school. She'd recently had an argument with one of my friends and decided to take it out on me. When I confronted her about it, she admitted to starting the stories. But the principal called me, my parents and two police officers into his office. The police kept asking if I had access to a gun (I didn't). I'd never even missed a day of class -- and I was scared to death. The principal went through my notebooks and picked out an unfinished story about a boy with a gun getting on a bus. I'd been trying to write something like Stephen King, but the principal called it a plan to harm students, and he suspended me for 19 days. The gossip and suspension ruined my reputation at school -- everybody thought I was the next Dylan Klebold or Eric Harris. I guess when a story that big is believed one time, a second seems somewhat easier to accept, so here I was, a school-shooting, teacher-hexing witch.

My head ached as I finished my sandwich. I doodle when I'm upset, so I drew a pentagram on my left hand and a smiley face on my right. If that's what they thought of me.... When the bell rang, I went to class feeling hurt and destroyed, like the world hated me.

But, in fact, this was only the beginning. Shortly after lunch, I was called to my guidance counselor's office. The assistant principal came in and closed the door. He said he'd heard what the kids were saying. I wanted to explain, but he was already searching through my backpack. I tried to tell him that my comment about putting a spell on Mr. Kemp had been a joke -- maybe a bad one, but I hadn't hurt anybody.
Instead of listening, the assistant principal asked if I was Wiccan. No. He leaned closer and asked again. No. He asked me four or five times, and I felt really bad -- by then I was crying. Finally, I gave in and said yes, just so he'd leave me alone. Then he asked me what was on my hands. I held them out. Do you know what a pentagram is? That star represents evil, he said. Did you think about God when you did this? asked my counselor.

Silence. I wanted to say that I'd never put a spell on anyone, but I couldn't get it out. I was really scared and I had to throw up, so I asked permission to go to the bathroom. I was still in tears when I got back to the office -- no one asked if I was ok, except the nurse -- and then my dad arrived. The assistant principal immediately told my father that I'd confessed to practicing witchcraft and hexing my teacher, and this kind of behavior wasn't allowed. Despite my dad's protests, I was eventually suspended for five days before Christmas break and for another 10 days in supervised suspension afterward, which meant I could come to school but not attend classes. At home, my family was really supportive -- even my two brothers were sympathetic. But I still felt lonely. My former crowd believed the gossip and thought that the administration had done the right thing. Maybe my ex-friends were just following the popular opinion, or maybe they were afraid to defend me and risk getting ostracized. My last real friend lived in another town almost an hour's drive away, and although we talked on the phone, we could only see each other on weekends.
When I returned to my regular schedule -- more than a month later because of winter vacation -- it was even worse than before. In the hallways, people would stare at me and whisper. Others jumped out of my way: Look, here comes the witch. Am I on your hit list? I tried to ignore them, but it hurt. Only Andrew was still willing to talk to me. I think he felt bad about what had happened, but he never ever said he was sorry. I didn't even want to look at him. Eventually, the rumor ran its course and the chattering died down, but it's been really hard to resume my normal life. I'm more cautious of who I call my friends. I've met new people to hang out with, but I feel different, less trusting. My parents and I decided to fight my suspension in court because there didn't seem to be any other way to get through to the school officials. They seem to think it's OK to censor what I can read, write and wear, but I completely disagree.

And how's Mr. Kemp? I heard he had appendicitis. Sometimes it seems the truth doesn't matter. In the end, I'm the one who's been hexed.

From
http://www.seventeen.com/cgi-bin/imteen/index.jsp?default=/Editorial/disp_entry.jsp&category=Reality+Check&oid=10499

Kaylara

eaglewolf
March 12th, 2001, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by random
Now, unfortunatly, dangerous people could be doin dangerous things.

About as dangerous as giving an empty squirt gun to a monkey, I'm afraid...

:p

~ew

rantnraven
March 13th, 2001, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by eaglewolf


About as dangerous as giving an empty squirt gun to a monkey, I'm afraid...

:p

~ew


Sorry, laughed my buttox off over this comment.

-T

Mariposa De La Luna
March 13th, 2001, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by eaglewolf


About as dangerous as giving an empty squirt gun to a monkey, I'm afraid...

:p

~ew


Don't discount it!! I read a book, just 1, on spells, fortunately with the proper warning not to do it on someone. I was not Pagan, not totally xtian but more that than pagan. It was a love spell to bring me my soul mate and it worked within 2 weeks! I was in high school and it kinda scared me. I stayed away from the guy and wouldn't date him for almost a year. But in the end the Goddess was right and we are still happily married.

random
March 13th, 2001, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Kaylara
Here is the article from seventeen magazine on Brandi Blackbear...


i dont read the teen mags, so i dont know the name. one of my friends said the stuff was in one. and thats where she got a set of runes...

Silverwitch
March 13th, 2001, 07:58 PM
Ther has been a huge upsurge in interest in all things pagan and occult to such an extent that there are hundreds, if not thousands of books on these subjects, freely available. I've even seen a book on "How to make your own atomic device"!.

All this means is that you can learn anything if you want, it's all available somewhere, but you quickly learn to be selective, and go with what's right for you. You may well get your fingers burnt initially, but that only serves to tell you that your going in the wrong direction!

eaglewolf
March 13th, 2001, 08:11 PM
If handing out spells like candy was dangerous, do you really think it would be legal?

Come on folks, you would be living in constant fear for your very lives... ;)

Kinda like giving someone an instructional booklet on karate, and then worrying about them kicking your butt the next day... possible(?) but highly unlikely.

Of course, this is just my opinion... I could be wrong...

~ew

Shatav
March 13th, 2001, 09:23 PM
I agree with ew. A spell is only as dangerous as the person who weilds it. (Monkeys and squirtguns...Heh). Can it work? Sure. Will it work well? Doubtfully, as there are so many basic concepts that you need to fully understand before you can cast any spell and have a strong result. There are exceptions, (SAHM), but aren't there in anything we do? It's nothing I'd worry about, personally.

mol
March 14th, 2001, 06:23 PM
Spells are words..the force of Will makes things happen.

Thats my comment...my opinion. ;)

rantnraven
March 14th, 2001, 07:32 PM
Please allow me to expand on this:

Spells are words AND force of will.

Yes?

-T

Silverwitch
March 14th, 2001, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by rantnraven
Please allow me to expand on this:

Spells are words AND force of will.

Yes?

-T

Think I have to go along with Mol and Shatav on this one Rantnraven, Spells are just words, you can yell them, shout them, even do a little dance to them, but it's unlikely you'll get a result until you add The Will and the right mind set. Otherwise, with all the spell books about, we'd all be flicking from rabbits to toads all over the place - not a pretty sight!:bigredgri

Kaylara
March 14th, 2001, 08:55 PM
If only it were so easy as flicking... I know quite a few people who would be rabbits, toads, and newts! LOL
:)
Kaylara

mol
March 14th, 2001, 09:12 PM
RIBBIT!

Silverwitch
March 14th, 2001, 09:31 PM
Just call me Bugs!

random
March 14th, 2001, 10:06 PM
im sorry that some of you think this is not an issue.. but im just here to learn and i apologise for not presenting an issue to the board..

eaglewolf
March 15th, 2001, 03:17 AM
Rantnraven was trying to point out that spells which include words are a mixture of both... so the words alone are not in fact spells, and therefore, not dangerous (?)

At least that is what I got from it...

In my comparison to a karate booklet... indeed, you can give someone a booklet and they can learn the basics, but if they take the time to learn karate to the point of effectiveness, they are no longer a loose cannon [dangerous per se], for they know the true nature of it... same goes with "spells" and Magick.

~ew

rantnraven
March 15th, 2001, 03:26 AM
~ew. I think you about summed it up.

Tanx

-T

eaglewolf
March 15th, 2001, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by random
im sorry that some of you think this is not an issue.. but im just here to learn and i apologise for not presenting an issue to the board..

RANDOM!!!!!!!!

No, no... don't feel we are making light of your opinion. Well, some of us are, but it is in a way we hope you will find helpful.

Your post was great, for it gives everyone an opportunity to share their views, thus giving us all an opportunity to learn.

I could be wrong in my thoughts, that is the whole point... but without my views and the conflicting views of others, we would all just wander around here like mindless drones, following one another in a circle which never goes anywhere.

Don't stop posting... these are just personal views and thoughts. That is what we are all here for... teach, learn, grow, together.

~ew

rantnraven
March 15th, 2001, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by eaglewolf


RANDOM!!!!!!!!

No, no... don't feel we are making light of your opinion. Well, some of us are, but it is in a way we hope you will find helpful.

~ew

Don't run off. I hope that you have not been offended.

We, and I think I speak for the community here, want you to share your questions, desires, and oppinions. They are all vital and we all learn. I had a spiritual mentor that once said, and i WILL quote, "Sometimes the student becomes the teacher - take faith in that".

Walk in the light and Blessed Be.

-T

Semele
March 15th, 2001, 05:20 PM
I would love to reply to this one but I am far too busy reading my karate booklet so I can kick
mol's butt when he gets home!!!

Semele

Silverwitch
March 15th, 2001, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by random
im sorry that some of you think this is not an issue.. but im just here to learn and i apologise for not presenting an issue to the board..

Oh Random, we are not making light of your issue, far from it. Yes, we are bringing some humour into our discussion, it would be a poor world if we didn't laugh.
We are not making fun at you, but with you.

The only way we learn is to question, question, question, so if anyone says to you that this is so, ask why!

I am probably one of the oldest in this community (perhaps there's a new Thread there?), and have been learning and teaching for more years than I care to think about, but everyday, I am presented with something I didn't know (and sometimes I feel pretty stupid for not knowing it!), and everyday at some point, I ask why. If the answer doesn't satisfy my need for logic, or the answer doesn't "ring" true - I discard it.

Keep on keeping on asking the questions, I know it's making me think long and hard about knowledge I have that's got dusty, and is making the old grey matter work overtime!

Love and Light

rantnraven
March 15th, 2001, 06:17 PM
Like I said and, was told to me, "sometimes the student can become the teacher".

Wise words from a wise man long since past.

Often, the answer is the question.

I might add that he wrote everything in Black and White, that we may create our own grey. And grey is where the spirit can be found - so I'm told.

-T

random
March 15th, 2001, 06:51 PM
I realise the humor brought into things.. Im just not of happiness ever. so, please don't- ican't think of hte word at the moment. my mind is flooded, so im just going to end this post saying that im not going anywhere...

Lady Tana
March 15th, 2001, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Semele
I would love to reply to this one but I am far too busy reading my karate booklet so I can kick
mol's butt when he gets home!!!

Semele
Semele... may i borrow that when you are done... i have some butts that need kicking around here also :D

rantnraven
March 15th, 2001, 08:07 PM
Our hearts bleed. You are not lost, confused maybe but, definetily not lost. Just feels that way sometimes.

Free your mind and the heart will follow. Free your heart and the mind will do the same.

Be your path true.

-Thoma

Niamh
March 17th, 2001, 02:15 PM
And you never know... a magazine article like the one mentioned might lead a teen down their chosen path. Seriously! They may read that and decide to go to the bookshop to take a look around and come up with soomething good....
Maybe even a martial arts book...

random
March 17th, 2001, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by rantnraven
Our hearts bleed. You are not lost, confused maybe but, definetily not lost. Just feels that way sometimes.

Free your mind and the heart will follow. Free your heart and the mind will do the same.

Be your path true.

-Thoma are refering to my sig? 'lost soul' is a clique at my school.. which i happen to be in. we are goths, so we go by a goth name, y'know?

most of the time i am confused on something, but i try to clear it up..

thank you for that bit of information.

Twig
March 17th, 2001, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by random
are refering to my sig? 'lost soul' is a clique at my school.. which i happen to be in. we are goths, so we go by a goth name, y'know?

most of the time i am confused on something, but i try to clear it up..

thank you for that bit of information.

The goth lifestyle. :confused: perhaps you or someone can clear up the confusion of an old fogey by explaining the whats and whys of it for me.

I guess we can file this in the "you don't understand me" catagory. One I hope grows smaller by the minute.
peace,
Twig

PS. NO wisecracks Mol! 8O

rantnraven
March 17th, 2001, 04:26 PM
Of the Gothic nature. What that means, as applied to a Clique, I'm as unsure as you.

Random, will you clear this up for we, as Twig put it, Fogey's?

RnR

mol
March 18th, 2001, 05:05 AM
And even the Not-So-Fogey's.

:D

random
March 19th, 2001, 12:35 AM
well.. the Gothic lifestyle is a way of thinking about certain things.
I think the best way to find more about it was to read _The Autumn Cemetary Text_ written by September.
here is the URL:
http://www.eskimo.com/~sonata/autumn.html
It's ver long, but full of information. I am not good at speaking or writting outlines, but if you ask certain specific questions, i should be able to answer.