Summoning through the astral plane

[jebido]

I have been preparing for the ritual I am doing for many year and would appreciate it if people left out how dangerous summoning is (I understand that). I am using the triangle of the arts to summone a lessor spirit through the astral plane. Does anyone have any experience with this. Tips would be appreciated
blessed be

[mucgwyrt]

no I dont (sorry) but I am curious as to why you want to summon a spirit...?
I'm honestly not trying to start a 'dont you know how dangerous it is' discussion, I'm just curious what people summon spirits for :)

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

Because you can, of course!
You might want to try asking come ceremonialists who have experience with the Goetia, or maybe someone who's tried some of the Names from the Simon Necronomicon...I'd say ask about the Goetia first, though.

[jebido]

As to why I am preforming the summon, I recently had a possesed friend who did nothing to the spirit world and I intend to ask why

[Tabbykitty]

actually ya don't have to do a summoning to ask the reason why ur friend is possessed. Possession that is not the result of someone consciously doing something with spirits usually results from:

1. Holes in the person's auric field caused by an imbalanced energy field. You can find out if this is the reason by getting someone take a look at your friend.

2. Some people are more prone to possession due to certain karmic issues. (eg. dealings with spirits in previous lives... etc) To hunt down and figure out the exact reason is rather complicated. You'll probably need some divination tools and some clairvoyance.

Sometimes because of certain karma, a person may have some kind of negative or low-vibrational energies in their energy field. This attracts low-vibrational entities and energies to the person. And this person might find himself being the constant target of such things throughout his life.

3. The person having some karma with the spirit in question. (eg. the spirit might be someone he has had issues with in a previous life....)

4. Being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Actually this cause is a lot more common than once thought. Its possible for your friend to pick up some bad stuff by simply going to a place with bad energies. Some of these places might even look pretty normal. However, this is one question you can ask when trying to deduce the actual cause.

[Mouse]

i haven't performed the ritual because im not ready, and i know it wouldnt be with the triangle of the arts, but I just wanted to wish you luck. I wouldnt expect it to tell you the truth tho, it will have no reason to like you. if possible i'd like to hear how you go.

BB*
~miriam

[Tabbykitty]

i haven't performed the ritual because im not ready, and i know it wouldnt be with the triangle of the arts, but I just wanted to wish you luck. I wouldnt expect it to tell you the truth tho, it will have no reason to like you. if possible i'd like to hear how you go.


I gotta agree with Mouse on this one. While it is possible to call up entities, good luck in getting it to tell ya the truth. It isnt obliged to and if mischievous or nasty or pure malicious, it will try all means and ways of avoiding an answer.

I had a chance to see some people questioning an entity once it was a really frustrating event. See, there was this entity bugging a friend of a friend. It had been with her for the longest time and caused her quite a bit of discomfort. One fine day, her friends decided that enough was enough and they were gonna talk to this entity and find out what it wanted. Well, they did some circle thingy to trap the entity, but it was fierce and malicious and I could feel it trying its best to attack the people who were staying well out of the circle.

Anywho.... when they started asking questions, all it did was gibber and mutter and jump up and down. Finally, they figured out that it was at such a low evolutionary/vibrational level that it was incapable of human speech. They did another spell to allow it to communicate at a human level, but when it happened, the thing refused to speak.

No amount compelling or threatening worked. One of the guys suggested poking the critter with energy spikes.... well,... the affected gal would have none of it as she was afraid it would adversely affect everyone's karma.

Finally, someone decided to open a portal into "The Light" inside this circle. Well, the critter was scared when it saw the light and started to run from it. But it is funny cos it was running around in circles inside the confined space while it was chased by a moving doorway. Eventually, the gal made them all release the critter cos of some complications with regards to her case that they had divined while doing the ritual. The critter was a lot milder after that. I think it was a little afraid of the gal's friends. It did however TRY to fool the gal after that by pretending to be a guide or angel or something. But it did such a bad impersonation, we all started to laugh.

So ya see, ya can call it up, but don't expect it to give you truthful or even coherent info.

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

See, getting a 'doorway to the light' up and running in order to coerce something to talk to you is just as ethically unsound as is putting its name in an iron box and suspending it over the brazier burning asafoetida. Of course, if something was bugging ME and I had it stuck in a Circle......wait. No. If I had it PROPERLY stuck in a *Triangle* while *I* was safely ensconced in a Circle, I'd get out a Blasting Wand and beat the crap out of it, Fire Conjurations and all.
The Circle is to protect yourself. The Triangle is where the thing being summoned goes. See the Goetia for more details.

[jebido]

As I said earlier I am well aware that the spirit might not like me and I did ask only my question and not if it would like me. I have been prepairing for this ritual for 3 years and I believe I know what I am talking about . I have it worked out. Advice is not somthing I need.
blessed be

[Morgandria]

Does anyone have any experience with this. Tips would be appreciated

Um...if that's not asking for advice, I don't know what is. If you've been prepping for this rit of yours for three years, then why waste your time asking for advice you apparently didn't ask for?

[Tabbykitty]

See, getting a 'doorway to the light' up and running in order to coerce something to talk to you is just as ethically unsound as is putting its name in an iron box and suspending it over the brazier burning asafoetida.

I don't think they were actually using the doorway to coerce the critter. They were hoping to send it to the light or its source or somewhere it could go to and wont bug the gal anymore. But er.. they didnt quite expect it to run to the light like it did. Well, I do admit forcing any being to do something it doesnt want to is rather unethical, but I guess the guy who did the "doorway" was a little on the young side and he was also anxious that the gal be helped.

Of course, if something was bugging ME and I had it stuck in a Circle......wait. No. If I had it PROPERLY stuck in a *Triangle* while *I* was safely ensconced in a Circle, I'd get out a Blasting Wand and beat the crap out of it, Fire Conjurations and all.
The Circle is to protect yourself. The Triangle is where the thing being summoned goes. See the Goetia for more details.

hmmmmmm..... I don't think the guys who did the ritual were carrying it out with reference to the goetia. They used a modality/system that Im not really familar with and I havent been able to find a reference for the symbols, signs and chants used used. However, the incident took place as I have mentioned....... as strange as it might sound. :confused: :foh: :ugh: :eyebrow:

[Bethra]

As I said earlier I am well aware that the spirit might not like me and I did ask only my question and not if it would like me. I have been prepairing for this ritual for 3 years and I believe I know what I am talking about . I have it worked out. Advice is not somthing I need.
blessed be

You did ask for peoples experiance in this and also hints and tips. Is that not asking for advice? Don't be fooling yourself that you know it all, there is always room for more knowledge. If the information given to you is not what you were looking for then maybe you didn't ask the right question. Remember the minute you stop learning your brain slows down and thats when you start to get old. Comments like "Advice is not something I need." are pompus and very, very wrong. Advice is something we all need its just a matter of weather you choose to take it or not.

I'm sorry if you didn't hear what you wanted to hear but maybe you didn't structure your question so well. Think on this fact very hard before you go asking the rogue entity any questions. They can be tricksy things and twist and play with your words so structure your questions so that it can only answer them to tell you what you want to know.

Best of luck *sweet smile*

[jebido]

may this is too ahrd to understand for you but I specificly asked for what sort of spirit might I see considering I ALLREADY KNOW that I will be encountering the right one (specific part of my ritual) this is just a curious question not a plee for advice

[Bethra]

may this is too ahrd to understand for you but I specificly asked for what sort of spirit might I see considering I ALLREADY KNOW that I will be encountering the right one (specific part of my ritual) this is just a curious question not a plee for advice


Then if you ALL READY KNOW which spirit you will be contacting you should also ALL READY KNOW what to expect so this thread is 1. pointless and 2. a waste of my freeking time. *smiles and goes off to read more interesting stuff*

[jebido]

mayby there should be a you must be over this IQ level to enter this thread but type real slow like to get you to understand.
-I do not know the name of the spirit I am contacting
-I do however know that it is the right one
-I am asking which might it be

if you don't understand that then you should be "reading more interesting stuff"

[Mayhem]

mayby there should be a you must be over this IQ level to enter this thread but type real slow like to get you to understand.
-I do not know the name of the spirit I am contacting
-I do however know that it is the right one
-I am asking which might it be

if you don't understand that then you should be "reading more interesting stuff"

1 Spirit in existance per living being that has existed upon this earth since its creation, 1 spirit per creative influence that created the universe. 1 Spirit per traumatic and 1 spirit per ecstatic experience in the realm of human conciousness..

So by my math that maks 172938472039847092348570913487 spirits you could potentially be working with.. I have no idea what you are messing with, to be honest.. really I don't....

[AstralMoth]

mayby there should be a you must be over this IQ level to enter this thread but type real slow like to get you to understand.
-I do not know the name of the spirit I am contacting
-I do however know that it is the right one
-I am asking which might it be

if you don't understand that then you should be "reading more interesting stuff"
If your that rude to whatever you call up, your in for a lot of fun. Its probably your karma though.

[Infinite Grey]

mayby there should be a you must be over this IQ level to enter this thread but type real slow like to get you to understand.
-I do not know the name of the spirit I am contacting
-I do however know that it is the right one
-I am asking which might it be

if you don't understand that then you should be "reading more interesting stuff"
After three years you still don't know the spirit's name... and you are criticizing someone else's IQ? :hehehehe:

[blacksatin]

I'm going to have to agree with Astralmoth, first of all.
The rudeness is a little unneccesary.

As far as your question, not all of us have some sort of inside knowledge
into what spirit is which and where and doing what at what time.
Are you aware of what KIND of spirit you are dealing with? That might be the
place for you to start.
Also, if you are unaware of the spirit's name, you can still summon it,
BUT,
1 - try to be as specific as possible with the details of the spirit's
identity that you are aware of.
2 - expect all his brothers and sisters to be close behind. If this is a
wild or negatively oriented spirit, then it will bring others with it that
are similarly oriented. Summoned spirits almost never come alone,
especially if you are nonspecifiic.
3 - Expect to be hated on....expect to be lied to. Expect for your
entire endeavor to fail. Expect to be followed by this spirit until it gets
bored. And if you think you want to control a spirit, expect it to go along
with your plan until it gets bored.


If your friend is possessed, maybe you should ask some people with
experience why intstead of summoning a spirit. Also, maybe you should
simply
worry about getting your friend some help with the possession.

[jebido]

After three years you still don't know the spirit's name... and you are criticizing someone else's IQ? :hehehehe:


I would like an explanation on how I woulf figure that out even if I had been preping for 10 years its just not an easy thing to do. As for the rudeness I do not appreciate the criticism from people who do not know half of the information I know about the topic

[jebido]

I'm going to have to agree with Astralmoth, first of all.
The rudeness is a little unneccesary.

As far as your question, not all of us have some sort of inside knowledge
into what spirit is which and where and doing what at what time.
Are you aware of what KIND of spirit you are dealing with? That might be the
place for you to start.
Also, if you are unaware of the spirit's name, you can still summon it,
BUT,
1 - try to be as specific as possible with the details of the spirit's
identity that you are aware of.
2 - expect all his brothers and sisters to be close behind. If this is a
wild or negatively oriented spirit, then it will bring others with it that
are similarly oriented. Summoned spirits almost never come alone,
especially if you are nonspecifiic.
3 - Expect to be hated on....expect to be lied to. Expect for your
entire endeavor to fail. Expect to be followed by this spirit until it gets
bored. And if you think you want to control a spirit, expect it to go along
with your plan until it gets bored.


If your friend is possessed, maybe you should ask some people with
experience why intstead of summoning a spirit. Also, maybe you should
simply
worry about getting your friend some help with the possession.

I know I can summon it without its name that is why I have been preping for these years I just think that it will help. However you have still been the most helpfull person on this thread so far

[AstralMoth]

I would like an explanation on how I woulf figure that out even if I had been preping for 10 years its just not an easy thing to do. As for the rudeness I do not appreciate the criticism from people who do not know half of the information I know about the topic

You are presuming that someone knows less about it than you? How is it that you know how much the lady knows. Are you in the habit of talking to her daily? Have you even taken time to ask her how much she knows? No you have not so once again you have been rude. Before you go questioning someones IQ maybe you should find out a little bit about them first. I wont be the only one on this forum to tell you that your coment was way off base. That lady is no fool and you should not treat her in that manor.
:shaker:

[jebido]

You are presuming that someone knows less about it than you? How is it that you know how much the lady knows. Are you in the habit of talking to her daily? Have you even taken time to ask her how much she knows? No you have not so once again you have been rude. Before you go questioning someones IQ maybe you should find out a little bit about them first. I wont be the only one on this forum to tell you that your coment was way off base. That lady is no fool and you should not treat her in that manor.
:shaker:

There are other ways of telling without talking to them daily moth did you think about them? or did you just assume I would make a comment like that.

[Bethra]

There are other ways of telling without talking to them daily moth did you think about them? or did you just assume I would make a comment like that.

How totaly arrogant, rude and obnocious can you get? First you are rude to me when I was only pointing out that you should never think you know it all because quite franky greater minds than yours didn't. Then you question my IQ when I pointed out that you were waisting peoples time asking for comments and then refusing to hear any of them. Then you become obnocious to everyone who quite rightly points out you were rude. Then you try to claim you know my IQ level and yet you do not even know me. I am lead to only a few conclusions on this you are a.) a masoganist or b.) so insecure in your own mental abilities you feel the need to attack total strangers and then refuse to recognise when you are obviously in the wrong.

I may be dyslexic sir but so was Enstine and I challange you to tell me he was of low IQ. Red karma given for being so totaly and unforgivably rude.
:razz:

[Tiarcana]

After watching this thread for a couple of days... I just have to put a "good" word in. Do your bit... although after 3 and 10 years of preparation (as per your own posts)... is asking "why?" really even viable anymore? Go ahead and put me through a damn I.Q. test...

...why in the gods would you want to pursue a possession that is no longer an issue... maybe you should try the Ouja board as that seems to be the gist of your "preparation". Read your first post once again and if "your I.Q." passes the test... you would understand why everyone thinks you are posing a question to ascertain advice!

My sincere best wishes in your endeavors... don't look for consolation here should you summon a "nasty"... honestly... and I'm am not a spiteful person... I hope it stays in your plane and sticks with the spit I provide!

Good luck sweetie pie!:geez:

[jebido]

How totaly arrogant, rude and obnocious can you get? First you are rude to me when I was only pointing out that you should never think you know it all because quite franky greater minds than yours didn't. Then you question my IQ when I pointed out that you were waisting peoples time asking for comments and then refusing to hear any of them. Then you become obnocious to everyone who quite rightly points out you were rude. Then you try to claim you know my IQ level and yet you do not even know me. I am lead to only a few conclusions on this you are a.) a masoganist or b.) so insecure in your own mental abilities you feel the need to attack total strangers and then refuse to recognise when you are obviously in the wrong.

I may be dyslexic sir but so was Enstine and I challange you to tell me he was of low IQ. Red karma given for being so totaly and unforgivably rude.
:razz:

1) I never claimed to know your IQ. I did in fact say there were other ways of finding out
2)You are currently doing exactly what you are critisizing me for ("greater minds than yours")
3)I do refuse to hear comments that have no relivence to the question I asked it is a simple way of getting the information you need and filtering out the things you dont need to know

[Bethra]

mayby there should be a you must be over this IQ level to enter this thread but type real slow like to get you to understand.


this was in responce to my comment I never said you claimed to know my IQ level just that you felt the need to question mine simply because I had the nerve to sujest you didn't know it all

[jebido]

After watching this thread for a couple of days... I just have to put a "good" word in. Do your bit... although after 3 and 10 years of preparation (as per your own posts)... is asking "why?" really even viable anymore? Go ahead and put me through a damn I.Q. test...

...why in the gods would you want to pursue a possession that is no longer an issue... maybe you should try the Ouja board as that seems to be the gist of your "preparation". Read your first post once again and if "your I.Q." passes the test... you would understand why everyone thinks you are posing a question to ascertain advice!

My sincere best wishes in your endeavors... don't look for consolation here should you summon a "nasty"... honestly... and I'm am not a spiteful person... I hope it stays in your plane and sticks with the spit I provide!

Good luck sweetie pie!:geez:

I did not say I had been preping for 10 years that was a hyperbole to explain how hard it is to decifer the exeact name of a possetion that had happened a number of years ago

also this board would not be the place I look for consolation in. This is due the people on this board would see how many ways they could say i told you so

[Tiarcana]

Learn to spell and I'll get back to you on that thought!:bug:

[vanRichten]

I did not say I had been preping for 10 years that was a hyperbole to explain how hard it is to decifer the exeact name of a possetion that had happened a number of years ago

also this board would not be the place I look for consolation in. This is due the people on this board would see how many ways they could say i told you so

Maybe we will tell you I told you so because you have no place in doing something like this. The only thing you have done in this thread is bad mouth the people that attempt to answer your question. IQ level has nothing to do with what you are attempting other than maybe having one too low to even attempt it.

You are nothing but rude and disrespectful to everyone that has posted on this thread. Please go off to your own little world where you know everything and do not need the advice or help of others. You are obviously a legend in your own mind, so retreat into your own mind and leave the rest of us alone to learn and share.

Good day and begone

[Mayhem]

I did not say I had been preping for 10 years that was a hyperbole to explain how hard it is to decifer the exeact name of a possetion that had happened a number of years ago

also this board would not be the place I look for consolation in. This is due the people on this board would see how many ways they could say i told you so

Ok, well, I am going to throw you an honest answer, which in and of itself is rare for me to do. Especially to a person who has so totaly proven unable to deal with simple diplomatic issues. This talent will serve you well to learn when dealing with other-world beings, I suggest you find some time to digest a little of it.

As to your first post, all bashing, posturing and otherwise aside:

I have been preparing for the ritual I am doing for many year and would appreciate it if people left out how dangerous summoning is (I understand that). I am using the triangle of the arts to summone a lessor spirit through the astral plane. Does anyone have any experience with this. Tips would be appreciated

Ok, as requested I will leave out my standard cautions, but here goes. If you have studied the appropriate texts and practiced any of these operations previous to this point in your years of preparation you should know most of this answer. Summoning anything across any plane has a direct relation to the intention, purpose and the practitioner's ability to focus the summons. All of the happy glyphs and rituals in the world won't cause this event to occure, you, yourself must be mentaly and emotionaly prepared. I will leave out the necessary spiritual preparations due to the fact you reference a ceremonial operation that would assume you have done that. But then it comes down to this.... Why? Are you doing this just to do it? Is it to inflate your ego? If so you are either doomed to failure no matter how hard you try or something rather unfortunate will take place.

Having practiced everything from Golden Dawn to common Wicca in my years of magical experimentation I can assure you that it will require rather intense transformation of your attitude before you will be able to hold sway over anything for more than a moment. A principal that is of utmost import is this ideal that a "Lesser Spirit" has the ability to break loose from a poorly constructed vessel and wreak havoc upon your life. If you are not fully prepared you will fail. That prepartion, as you SHOULD know by now is more than just knowing the words, gestures and symbols associated with this rite.

Also without having some kind of "Leverage" you will have little control or power to control this being. Leverage is why you so despirately want to discover its name, because this in your paradigm gives you power over it. It won't tell you its name for that very reason, perceived power is still somewhat power.

My best "advice", or rather, "tip" would be simply this... Go back to playing with Elemental beings before locking horns with something across the "Astral" and expecting to come out on top, any being no matter how benevolent can turn out to be a major problem if you are not fully ready to handle what you are about to take on...

EDIT: Forgive typos and gramatical errors contained in this, acute dyslexia, which is something I share in common with Bethra and many other folk I know and respect, prevents proper proofing of my writing at times.

[jebido]

Ok, well, I am going to throw you an honest answer, which in and of itself is rare for me to do. Especially to a person who has so totaly proven unable to deal with simple diplomatic issues. This talent will serve you well to learn when dealing with other-world beings, I suggest you find some time to digest a little of it.

As to your first post, all bashing, posturing and otherwise aside:



Ok, as requested I will leave out my standard cautions, but here goes. If you have studied the appropriate texts and practiced any of these operations previous to this point in your years of preparation you should know most of this answer. Summoning anything across any plane has a direct relation to the intention, purpose and the practitioner's ability to focus the summons. All of the happy glyphs and rituals in the world won't cause this event to occure, you, yourself must be mentaly and emotionaly prepared. I will leave out the necessary spiritual preparations due to the fact you reference a ceremonial operation that would assume you have done that. But then it comes down to this.... Why? Are you doing this just to do it? Is it to inflate your ego? If so you are either doomed to failure no matter how hard you try or something rather unfortunate will take place.

Having practiced everything from Golden Dawn to common Wicca in my years of magical experimentation I can assure you that it will require rather intense transformation of your attitude before you will be able to hold sway over anything for more than a moment. A principal that is of utmost import is this ideal that a "Lesser Spirit" has the ability to break loose from a poorly constructed vessel and wreak havoc upon your life. If you are not fully prepared you will fail. That prepartion, as you SHOULD know by now is more than just knowing the words, gestures and symbols associated with this rite.

Also without having some kind of "Leverage" you will have little control or power to control this being. Leverage is why you so despirately want to discover its name, because this in your paradigm gives you power over it. It won't tell you its name for that very reason, perceived power is still somewhat power.

My best "advice", or rather, "tip" would be simply this... Go back to playing with Elemental beings before locking horns with something across the "Astral" and expecting to come out on top, any being no matter how benevolent can turn out to be a major problem if you are not fully ready to handle what you are about to take on...

EDIT: Forgive typos and gramatical errors contained in this, acute dyslexia, which is something I share in common with Bethra and many other folk I know and respect, prevents proper proofing of my writing at times.

I am not in fact doing this to "inflate my ego" as I have stated earlier in the post. I do have leverage and that is not why I want the name. The name would increase my chances but without it I can still conduct the summoning. Apart from that extremely good advice.

[Mayhem]

I am not in fact doing this to "inflate my ego" as I have stated earlier in the post. I do have leverage and that is not why I want the name. The name would increase my chances but without it I can still conduct the summoning. Apart from that extremely good advice.


Then if none of this is needed, why in fact did you post your question? You have replied to every possible "tip" with the same basic attitude, that you know everything about what you are doing and that you need no assistance what so ever...

[jebido]

Then if none of this is needed, why in fact did you post your question? You have replied to every possible "tip" with the same basic attitude, that you know everything about what you are doing and that you need no assistance what so ever...

According to most on this board I do not know it all as you say im waiting for them to proove themselfs right

[jebido]

I am completing the ritual tonight and therefore will not be needing any more contributions to this thread. If you are curious as to how it turned out I will be posting that sometime tomorrow night

[Rowan Darkmoon]

I am completing the ritual tonight and therefore will not be needing any more contributions to this thread. If you are curious as to how it turned out I will be posting that sometime tomorrow night

Good luck.

[jebido]

The ritual did go well but did not go as I expected. The summoning was a succes but we could not get the information out of him we desired. He began destroying our triangle so we attempted to destroy it. This did only more damage to the triangle. We took a risk and called upon another spirit and hoped it would oppose the current one. Luckily, it did and during the struggle between the two we managed to dismiss them both and push them back in to the astrial. I thank the people who gave worth while advice.

[vanRichten]

Well good for you. I know I for one accept what you tell me as the gospel truth. *looks around* Come one guys, who will stand with me?

*rolls eyes*

Whatever, at least you didn't get sucked in after them...

[Bethra]

Well good for you. I know I for one accept what you tell me as the gospel truth. *looks around* Come one guys, who will stand with me?

*rolls eyes*

Whatever, at least you didn't get sucked in after them...

*stands with vanRichten nodding sagely*

Oh yes who am I to doubt such a superiourly intelligent persons word. After all I'm just an ignorant fool.
:alol:

[Tiarcana]

ROFLMAO... mrahahahahhahah.... fruhahaha...! I can't believe some people try to mess around with things they yet nor will ever understand.:aburst:

[Alkhemia]

I have been prepairing for this ritual for 3 years and I believe I know what I am talking about . I have it worked out. Advice is not somthing I need.

:geez: Three years, eh? How wonderful it must be to study something for three years and be nearing the end of your knowledge of the subject. Myself, I've been practicing (not just studying) evocation for close to 17 years, I've met some damn fine magicians and I still don't kid myself that I know all there is to know.

As for the rudeness I do not appreciate the criticism from people who do not know half of the information I know about the topic

LOL! Yes, you certainly are the Master of all things evocation-related - three years is an absolute eternity! :lol:

He began destroying our triangle so we attempted to destroy it. This did only more damage to the triangle. We took a risk and called upon another spirit and hoped it would oppose the current one.

Oooh kind of like a "death match", eh? Wow! Next time you are summoning up spirits that are walking around destroying things - do get it on tape or take a photograph.

I know you are not taking advice because you know so much....but, I would humbly suggest that you go back to the drawing board and re-read some evocation (and magick) 101 books. Start with an introduction to high magick (Don Kraig's Modern Magick is pretty good, High Magick by Frater UD or Franz Bardon's Initiation Into Hermetics) and then you can "move on" to evocational techniques (The Book of Solomon's Magick by Poke Runyon, Practice of Magickal Evocation by Bardon, Crowley, DuQuette, etc., etc.). Heck, even though I disagreed with much in the book, pick up Ceremonial Magic: The Power of Evocation by Lisiewski while you are at it. :)

Or...if you want to go the Chaos route, you should pick up some Peter Carroll, Phil Hine, Creating Magickal Entities, Memetic Magick or even The New Hermetics by Newcomb.


Alkhemia

[Scheherazade's Muse]

The ritual did go well but did not go as I expected. The summoning was a succes but we could not get the information out of him we desired. He began destroying our triangle so we attempted to destroy it. This did only more damage to the triangle. We took a risk and called upon another spirit and hoped it would oppose the current one. Luckily, it did and during the struggle between the two we managed to dismiss them both and push them back in to the astrial. I thank the people who gave worth while advice.

I have a question:
How can two spirits equal themselves thus dissolving each other out? (Is this like mathematics?)

[Cathubodva]

im sorry to intrude in this way, but i have never seen such stupidity in my entire life. (im kidding i have)! Anyway, reading threads such as this really makes me laugh when i think about all that preaching about tolerance, respect, et cetera. What i saw in this thread, and im not refering to the original poster, was arrogance, criticism, stupidity, and know it all bullshit. Those who are more experience, use their experience to give credit to their own irony, stupid little irony. Im sorry if my spelling isnt right, but i just cant shut up and say nothing about it. The person asked a question, and what i saw was people freaking out. Of course he responded to the situation. What worries me is that in all this replies few were able to deal with the situation in an adult, serious way. This is a shame, a true shame for any occult and magic student.
why criticize others people atitute and behavior, if we are acting in a provocative, childish way? there´s no logic in this. Really.

I have to say that i also dont understand how two spirits can dissolve each other, or how, having you lost control of your summoning (cose, if the spirit was destroying the triangule) was because things were never in your control has they should have been in the first place, you manage to summon another spirit, and then banish them to the astral again. I would like to hear more about your summoning experince, and i would like to know how did you knew it was the right spirit, and not any other.

Cheers.

[Sage Rainsong]

Maybe its just me but I am still having trouble understanding exactly why the spirit was summoned in the first place. You just wanted to ask it why it possesed your friend? That just seems silly. Would you ask a tape worm why it infected you? If the spirit is gone who cares why it possesed her (provided that its true in the first place). She should just focus on protection magic and such. Also if the spirit is not gone why summon it? Why not focus on banishing rituals. Summoning it and the summoning another entity to get rid of it seems a little too unessisarilly theatrical and overly complicated for me.

note: sorry if anyone asked this question before. I got too annoyed to read the post properly.

[Cathubodva]

hmmm..maybe because the spirit possessed the girl for some reason, and he wants to speak with the spirit to know perfectly why, and still, bind him in order for him to tell the truth.It is possible, you just have to have the skill, the means and the knowledge.

[Sage Rainsong]

I guess I see your point Cath but it probably possesed her because it could. Many spirits, like people are out for themselves. I don't believe that it is nessesary to ask the spirit why it did so. Bringing it back just seems dangerous Its like calling up someone who took your purse and then asking why in my opinion. Who cares why? What matters is that the girl is protected from posesstion. Its sort of putting the cart before the horse.

[Ben Trismegistus]

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[Cathubodva]

he cares about it Sage, and thats what matters. -My ex boyfriend father was a medium that was continously bothered by the spirit of a woman, or at least the spirit showed himself as a woman. My ex bf tried everything, from banishing to protective magick. She would always find a way to come around again. It only stoped when he summoned her, placed her in a box, and dived the box into the akasha.

There are many ways to deal with a bothering spirit. All can be potentialy dangerious, all can be very good. The choice depends on the skill and in the type of problem.

[Sage Rainsong]

Okay well the situation at least to me seems different than yours. He said that he had (had being the key word) a possesed friend. Meaning that it was banished and now he wants to call it up again in order question it. That just seems dangerous and a waste of time to me. Plus summoning to banish it and summoning to ask it a question are two totally different things. His concern should be for the formerly posessed girl thats all. What if he couldn't handlle the spirit and it went loose on the girl again?If I misread and she is still posessed he should do some kind of exorcism; not worry about the spirits feelings. Anyway I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.