Does this annoy you

[memnoch]

are you annoyed by aol chat speak such as h8, or ppl, or by people who are willfully ignorant and spell things wrong such as magick, vampyre, ect.? It annoys the hell out of me and instead of derailing a thread or taking semele's advice of posting it in a blog (I only have 2 friends who do this and both can't spell to begin with). I'm not talking about those who cant spell, I'm not the greatest when it comes to spelling and can understand a misspelling, I'm specificly talking about intentional misspelling or shortining of words

[Tzhebee]

yes it annoys me....a lot! that and leet (or should I say 1337)...because it makes my head hurt.

[Rowan Darkmoon]

Yes. :uhhuhuh: My youngest sister used to do that a lot when she was in her "chatting" phase. It turned itself over into some of her schoolwork, so I don't think people should do it because for that reason as well as it's annoying.

[memnoch]

yes it annoys me....a lot! that and leet (or should I say 1337)...because it makes my head hurt.

I find 1337 amusing in small doses, especially to mock those who take it seriously. Here's an amusing anticdote involving a friend of mine, when misspelling names became big in the 90's a friend of mine named Jason decided to start spelling his name Jacen just to mock people who did that.

[Catiana]

Its very annoying. Bad spelling and bad grammar are my major pet peeves.

[halfwaynowhere]

the only internet slang i'll use is lol. i think its pretty much become its own word at this point. of course, my science teacher will be writing notes on the board, and she'll spell you're like "ur". i hate this.. i don't capitalize, and i use strange punctuation, but the one thing i can't stand is intentional spelling errors. of course, i believe that "vampyre" is the british spelling of the word? or at least its the way the band, Inkubus Sukkubus spells it...

[QUEEN OF THE DAMNED]

Meh,in this day and age of sms and internet chat it all costs money, so the less time you spend typing it or amount of characters you use makes it more cost effective. It doesn't annoy me as long as I get people's drift. I used to be a stickler for grammar and then I moved to Adelaide, home of the uneducated (yes I'm a snob) and people are constantly confused by me when I speak properly, so I've had to dumb it down a bit for them.

Internet slang I use: LOL, IMHO, IMO, SO and that's about it I think.
In text messages I will use u r instead of you are and things like that.

[BrigidMoon]

Yes. When I was a newbie, I couldn't remember where my Shift button was and I called my computer, a comp. I got rid of that habit after a while. It's annoying to try and read that stuff. My boss answers my emails sometimes by using "K" -- it makes me giggle because I think he's just trying to be "cool".

[memnoch]

Meh,in this day and age of sms and internet chat it all costs money, so the less time you spend typing it or amount of characters you use makes it more cost effective. It doesn't annoy me as long as I get people's drift. I used to be a stickler for grammar and then I moved to Adelaide, home of the uneducated (yes I'm a snob) and people are constantly confused by me when I speak properly, so I've had to dumb it down a bit for them.

Internet slang I use: LOL, IMHO, IMO, SO and that's about it I think.
In text messages I will use u r instead of you are and things like that.

I don't know how things are in Australia, but here SMS messages cost the same, but are limited to 163 characters (atleast for sprint) and the internet does not charge by the letter or the amount of time online (although that does take me back to the mid 90's when it did).

[rottencandy7]

i use lol to indicate that i'm not being serious or i'm joking. when i mean laughing i say hhahaha or lmao.

it doesn't bother me too much, i still spell school like "skool" sometimes if i'm not thinking. i've tried to get out of typing with abbreviations, only when send txt msgs on the cell phone. (oh yea i use msg instead of message sometimes.) :P

[Isis-Rayne]

Well, excepting the case of magick, I think you have it right. ppl .. ne1 .. wud/cud/shud ... stuff like that really irks me. And I can't get behind vampyre. Somehow, the word 'pyre' being associated with bloodsucking undead humans that are severely allergic to fire doesn't work for me.


Meh,in this day and age of sms and internet chat it all costs money, so the less time you spend typing it or amount of characters you use makes it more cost effective.
Umm ... the internet costs a flat fee most everywhere now. I can see maybe in a text message on a phone .. but on AIM/Yahoo/ICQ ... and also on forums and on RPG's like EQ and WOW .. it's stupid, and -not- saving anyone any money.



But magick is used as a way of separating the workings of witchcraft with the magic of people who perform acts of slight of hand, etc, such as Sigfried and Roy and David Copperfield.

[IvyWitch]

It annoys me also, and I rarely use it if at all. People who don't use punctuation or seperate paragraphs annoy me also.

[gwendar]

It irritates me to no end.

[GEBS]

.... only when send txt msgs on the cell phone. (oh yea i use msg instead of message sometimes.) :P
Me too. I do it often when texting but rarely otherwise.
I occasionally abbreviate when chatting if I am typing with one hand.

That sounded bad. I don't mean it like that. :o I mean if I'm eating or working or something else that allows limited activity.

[Aconite]

It doesnt annoy me at all. I find myself using it alot. I say ppl, lol, lmao, rofl, j/k, nm, brb, stuff like that. ne1, vampyre, h8, l8r, that pisses me off though..

[ArKane]

I use L337 speak when I'm gaming or in a conversation other gamers but not others that wouldnt understand. Thats like speaking French to someone that knew nothing of the language. Chat speak in sms are okay to a point. It's small and doesnt take long to decipher but in a big email or pargraph it tends to get tedious and boring. Using 'lol' or 'lmafo' to convey ones emotions is okay but when people do it excessively:

"Hi How r u y didnt U rng me ystrDay? lOl!!!! i Hav sOmthng 3 tel U u woodNt bEeliv woT he did! BecuZ sO n so iz A whiny bytch! lmao iznt dat kewlz? lol well byz 4 now"

-bangs head againest wall-

If I cant understand it, I dont read it. Everyone from the ages 10+ should atleast have 'some' understanding of grammer and punctation. Not everyone can spell..[I'm shocking] or know where comma's suppouse to go but you know what the caps lock key is for? The start of a sentence..not the middle of a word!

[Karma Chameleon]

No, it doesn't annoy me as much as it leads me to believe that the person typing that way is either very lazy or is illiterate or both.

[FestiveLeaf]

yes

[Faerin]

It doesn't annoy me so much. However when I do see someone flowing in that type of "lingo" I automatically assume a lower level of maturity. I'm sure I'm being presumptuous, but it's honestly the impression I get.

[Mistress_Ravenshadow]

i must admit i picked up the bad habit of using abbreviations from chat rooms and games rooms however when it comes to the word magick i put the k on to differentiate between circus magic and metaphysical magick i know it isn't essential to do so but i do anyway..

[Pandoras]

"Hi How r u y didnt U rng me ystrDay? lOl!!!! i Hav sOmthng 3 tel U u woodNt bEeliv woT he did! BecuZ sO n so iz A whiny bytch! lmao iznt dat kewlz? lol well byz 4 now"

I would ignore something like this not because it bothers me, but because I find it hard to read. Maybe it's because I'm getting old, but I'm just not into the lingo. It doesn't bother or annoy me though. Language changes and I do find myself using some of the more common expressions, lol for instance.

As far as magick versus magic, I don't see the use of the k as ignorant or silly attempts by people who want to appear to be different, special, cool, whatever. I think the term conveys a specific meaning (and not just the difference between slight of hand magic and spiritual magic).

[Flaire-FireStar]

Yes.

Although I admit to doing private conversations in 1337 every once in a while to fend off boredom. :eyebrow:

[Jenne]

I see nothing wrong with abbreviations if they are standard somewhat. It's when it is done as internet speak for chatroom junkies (the L337 stuff I guess) that I have trouble reading it. But I try.

But then, I'm not really a grammarian or prescriptivist in any sense, since my linguistic training taught me to appreciate the language use in its medium. So, if the language is active and used that way for a reason, then it's acceptable to me.

In a forum such as this, it's probably wiser to use the optimum generalized use of language. I.e. word forms most everyone can understand--confusing folks in a place where you want maximum exposure just ain't smart. Plus the general judgments and criticisms that would color any view someone may have on your post. Those alone would be a deterrant.

That said, I use abbreviations often when on the 'net. LOL, w/, and I abbreviate people's names all the time. It's a form of both laziness and a nod to the form of communication I'm using.

When it goes overboard is when you catch yourself saying outloud "lol" in public or private conversation. Yeah, that's embarassing. :hehehe:

[Kadynas]

Yes and no... It kinda annoys me in posts on a message board, but if I'm chatting on AIM on something, it makes it a hell of a lot quicker to get my point across. :)

And I am 1337... :lol:

[melantha rose]

My problem is that, being so new to the internet world, I don't understand most of these abbreviations. I spent the first month or so just trying to figure out what the hell everyone was saying! Now, I know most of the common ones, like lol, rofl, lmao, imo, etc. But since reading in this thread, I am stumped with a new one: what the heck is LEET or 1337? Oh boy, lost again... :geez:

[DarkDancer]

No, it doesn't bug me for the most part. What does bug me a little is using the wrong homonym. I've seen people say things like "Witch way did they go."

Oh, and of course my own personal pet peeve of people using the word vagina when they mean vulva....

The y thing doesn;t bother me, I tend to try to put y's in places they don't go anyway.....

[DarkDancer]

Oh, and here's what Wikipedia says about Leet Speak. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet)

[SandStorm]

I don't worry too much about it when it comes to short messages or chats. Although it annoys me to no end when some people writes something long and complex as if they were writing in a mobile phone... :eyez:

[SilentDreams]

I have exceptions. LOL, LMAO, ROFL etc... I find okay. I use them often.

Now as for "wut r u talking 'bout" *glares* that stuff really annoys me.

I can understand if you are text messaging somebody on a cell phone. Cause those screens are very small, so space needs to be saved. But when you're speaking in a chat or forum when you can get at least a good paragraph(most chats allow that much before it cuts it off) then why shorten?

Now as for "Magick" and other things like that. I hate them with a passion. Its really really annoying. "Its to seperate what WE do from what hollywood recognises as magic" thats the explination I always here. And this is what I say to it "But its not a word! How silly to add a letter just to serperate it from what most people think of as magic. All you do is end up looking like a uneducated person!"

[SilverNightShade]

it is annoying for chat speak. tho i do use brb when i am chatting and have to go do something real fast.

but as for spelling, there tends to be more than one way to spell those words. it's Magick or Magic, Vampyre or Vampire....it's all a preference thing, and an old english thing i think.

[buddie]

i get why some people do it but i personally cant sit here and try and work out how to shorten each word i would get sooooooo confused and then what i was writing wouldnt make sense, i know i leave alot of my punctuation out but thats because alot of the time i dont know where to put it....i know...im pretty thick *rolls eyes*

[argento_occhi]

I'll shorten words if i'm texting in a hurry or if i've got a long word i want to shorten. Otherwise I keep it out of my life. for message boards and emails and chat, i find it incessantly irritating, not to mention difficult to decipher and to me gives the impression of some irritating 13 yos i know. I can be tempted to use lol on occasion, mostly between friends, but i mostly keep my English good and proper. Correct spelling and grammar is one of my obsessions, you might say. I look down on people who feel the need to use chat speak as everyday online language.

Argent

[BabblingImp]

I can'r spell to begin with, and for me I would mess up the short hand too! I don't talk to a lot of people on the internet....just a few friends, and one of them I use as my own 'spell check' so yhea it does bother me though when people write off line and spell things wrong......mainly because I have such a hard time as it is.

[*GrumpButt*]

When I'm in AOL chat, I use proper English and such. But when I'm gaming, WoW for example, I tend to use abbreviations, ppl, nvm, omw, otw, ect...

No time to type it all out when your getting your bottom beat down by a group of murlocks, grlrlrlrlrrr

[*GrumpButt*]

Also, one thing really bugs me when I'm reading or talking to someone...

" I think I did good on my math test". EHHH wrong ><
"I think I did well on my math test." DINGdingding!

It makes me crazy when people can not/do not use those 2 words properly ><

[audi]

i am an absolutly awful speller. sometimes even spell check doesnt know what im trying to say... i do however try to limit my 'ur's and 'ty' and such. i use them when im on aim, but try hard not to on here. im probably not 100% successful, but i do try. bad habit... :boing:

[melantha rose]

Oh, and here's what Wikipedia says about Leet Speak. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet)
Thanks for the definition of this Leet Speak thing. I have seen this and I just don't get why anyone would want to make typing any harder than it has to be. It would also take longer to type like that, which, to me, defeats the purpose of being in a chat room, where speed comes in handy when you're trying to keep up with a conversation. I guess I'm to old and out of the circle to understand. And I have too much in my life already to try and learn a new language just to look 'cool' when I'm typing something. I'll stick to my '70's simple mind language. But I do love the smilies!! ;)

[Old Witch]

I use magick to differentiate between spell work and stage magick....but the rest of the stuff has become pure laziness on a lot of peoples part...It gives me a headache.....

[Semele]

Oh, and of course my own personal pet peeve of people using the word vagina when they mean vulva....

The vulva is part of the vagina. That is like saying you get annoyed when people say hand rather than finger.

[Semele]

Nah, it doesn't bother me, although I have seen over the years several folks have major issues with it and that cracks me up. Why does it bother you so much? I prefer to think of it as a dialect rather than poor spelling and grammar. People don't all talk the same folks. In fact, when others gripe about it, it makes me want to point out their mistakes in spelling.


I'm not talking about those who cant spell, I'm not the greatest when it comes to spelling and can understand a misspelling, I'm specificly talking about intentional misspelling or shortining of words
Specifically shortening words is one thing and obviously a choice to do so. Not looking up the correct spelling for words in a post to complain about the laziness and such of others is highly ironic don't you think?:twitch:

[DarkDancer]

The vulva is not part of the vagina. The vagina is ONLY the passage leading from the vulva to the cervix. The vulva is all the outside parts (I'm not going to name them). Even if the vulva were part of the vagina, my pet peeve would be valid, as your friends would look at you oddly if you said myou gave someone the hand (rather than the finger), excuse me though if you are non-american and don't understand the idiom.

When I was a child, the ultimate test of telling whether something was a word or not was to look it up in the dictionary. If that test is still valid, then magick (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=magick) (with a k ) is a word.

[Sowelu]

yes it annoys me....a lot! that and leet (or should I say 1337)...because it makes my head hurt.
What the heck is leet?
:tongueout

[Isis-Rayne]

Now as for "Magick" and other things like that. I hate them with a passion. Its really really annoying. "Its to seperate what WE do from what hollywood recognises as magic" thats the explination I always here. And this is what I say to it "But its not a word! How silly to add a letter just to serperate it from what most people think of as magic. All you do is end up looking like a uneducated person!"
How, exactly, do you think language evolves? Just because -you- say it's not a word, it's not? Well .. I say 'LEET' is not a word ... does that make everyone else wrong?

Sorry, but someone telling me I sound 'uneducated' because I use a word they don't like flies all over me.

[alessandra m]

i wish i speak the english half that good to make mistakes.

[Xentor]

What the heck is leet?
:tongueout

:sleepy:


Oh, and here's what Wikipedia says about Leet Speak. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet)

[Pilot]

I find 1337 amusing in small doses, especially to mock those who take it seriously. Here's an amusing anticdote involving a friend of mine, when misspelling names became big in the 90's a friend of mine named Jason decided to start spelling his name Jacen just to mock people who did that.

I find that humorous

[Xentor]

I only care about language when I need to read it.

That means that when it's on this particular board and not done for a valid reason (of which I will be the judge) then I will react to it.

Otherwise I'll either ignore it, or ignore the entire post / message / whatever.

[Semele]

The vulva is not part of the vagina


http://www.coolnurse.com/images/v_grl.jpg (http://www.coolnurse.com/gyn_stuff.htm)
From this (http://www.coolnurse.com/vagina.htm)friendly, helpful source.

"The vagina is the opening that is located directly below the urethral opening (where you pee from). The opening is called an orifice, as are other openings in your body. Directly outside of the vaginal opening are the labia minor, the smooth inner lips of the vulva. Outside of the inner lips are the labia majora, the fleshier outer lips that are typically covered in hair. "

Now if the labia majora are a part of the vaginal opening...they are indeed a part of it. In fact, As a nurse I can assure you that it is quite common to refer to the female genitalia as a whole, as the vagina. Just as you shy away from naming specific parts, so do most of society. A patient calling for an apoointment with her physician doesn't say, "I am having some irritation on my labia majora." She says, "I have vaginal irritation." Now once in the room with the physicain she is more specific, but that is only because he needs to know more details.



Even if the vulva were part of the vagina, my pet peeve would be valid, as your friends would look at you oddly if you said myou gave someone the hand (rather than the finger)
That is exactly my point. The hand and finger are very different organs that people commonly refer to. The vagina is the vagina and really only becomes the vulva, urethra, clitoris, labia, minora and majora and even so detailed as the hymen and hood when it is necessary to differentiate as such. Unless you are a physician referring to patients saying vagina and meaning labia, I can not imagine why you would want them to use the words you yourself refused to type. No one commonly refers to the hand as the finger and vice versa but people do commonly refere to all the female genitalia collectively as the vagina my friend.


excuse me though if you are non-american and don't understand the idiom..
Yes, I do understand both the idiom of giving a hand and the finger. But I apologise if you are American and do not.;)

[DracoJesi]

are you annoyed by aol chat speak such as h8, or ppl, or by people who are willfully ignorant and spell things wrong such as magick, vampyre, ect.? It annoys the hell out of me and instead of derailing a thread or taking semele's advice of posting it in a blog (I only have 2 friends who do this and both can't spell to begin with). I'm not talking about those who cant spell, I'm not the greatest when it comes to spelling and can understand a misspelling, I'm specificly talking about intentional misspelling or shortining of words

well yeah, but I dont make a big about it LOL, i mean to be honest i used to be like that and its hard to stop LOL, but I had to because Isil was going to hit me with a marlin LOL, and anyway im glad I stoped , it actualy bothers me now when I see it

[Xentor]

:fofftopic


Unless you are a physician referring to patients saying vagina and meaning labia, I can not imagine why you would want them to use the words you yourself refused to type.

I can think of another reason to name the parts individually, but then I wouldn't be using the medical names ;)

[Semele]

:fofftopic



I can think of another reason to name the parts individually, but then I wouldn't be using the medical names ;)
:smoke: Naughty!

[Threase]

http://www.coolnurse.com/images/v_grl.jpg (http://www.coolnurse.com/gyn_stuff.htm)
From this (http://www.coolnurse.com/vagina.htm)friendly, helpful source.



Nifty website! :bigredgri

[memnoch]

Specifically shortening words is one thing and obviously a choice to do so. Not looking up the correct spelling for words in a post to complain about the laziness and such of others is highly ironic don't you think?:twitch:

I agree with you, I'm not complaining about laziness and I pointed out that I have no issues with people who don't use proper spelling out of ignorance, as I am known to do on occasion. I'm talking about the people who know the proper spelling and choose not to use it

[Bethra]

Speeking as a dyslexic I can honestly say that geek type is imposible for me to read. Things like h8 and L337 are just about understandable but anything more than that is lost on me. Even abriviations like brb and brh are sometimes a huge problem for me. Once you throw in a few numbers to the mix it becomes vertualy imposible for me to understand so I just ignore the person doing it. If they want to speek to me they can do so properly if not then they can go find someone else to speek to in their alien language lol. It's doesn't annoy me though since no one I want to talk to does it.

[Akhkharu Asgard]

I enjoy playing a few computer games online sometimes. One thing I hate about it is how often that "language" is used by irresposible ten to twelve year old boys who think they are better than everyone else because they spend ten hours a day killing themselves in front of the computer screen. I don't really "chat" with people who use that language. But it is rather annoying and unreadable.

[AstralMagick]

Well, spelling magic as magick defines the card tricks and such from ceremonial magic that is put to use, as with the spelling vampyre.
It does bug me a little when others type things for short though.

[AstralMagick]

It doesn't annoy me so much. However when I do see someone flowing in that type of "lingo" I automatically assume a lower level of maturity. I'm sure I'm being presumptuous, but it's honestly the impression I get.

I agree with this. I've always thought of someone who constantly uses abreviations a lot was someone of a low maturity level.

[raminda]

Yes, it does annoy me. I try to avoid talking to people who type with excessive mispellings or the shortening of words (I'm not sure if there's a term for that..?).

[ravenmyst]

it is in the same category as urbanomics to me, a sad substitution for learning proper english

[Pandoras]

I understand the pet peeves. I'm not crazy about internet slang myself, but I don't understand these ideas that folks who shorten or abbreviate words and phrases are somehow ignorant, uneducated, or stupid. It's common, happens everyday -- how's it going, I'll get on that asap, he went awol, don't, can't, yep, yeah, and so forth. They are all words because they are representations of sounds that are printed or written and they symbolize and communicate a meaning. There's no such thing as "proper" anything when it comes to language. Words like aren't and won't were not always acceptable, but language changes to meet the needs of its users and words are created to meet the demands of innovation. What is "proper" English today was not "proper" English even fifty years ago. What is "proper" English in the North may not be "proper" English in the South. What is "proper" English in America may not be "proper" English in England.

[ravenmyst]

true, but does it hurt to try? l8ter doesnt shorten anything. why bother? :whatgives and it still has no place in school papers. Texting yes, schoolwork no, my opinion

[RowanMegaera]

I absolutely loathe what is happening because of all of the text messaging and chat slang. I can't even begin to count the number of horrid papers I have edited containing ur l8r c etc...

[Pandoras]

true, but does it hurt to try? l8ter doesnt shorten anything. why bother? :whatgives and it still has no place in school papers. Texting yes, schoolwork no, my opinion

Oh, I agree. Internet slang, chat slang, messaging -- whatever it's called -- belongs on the internet and cells phones. I majored in English. I sigh and shake my head when I see students writing essays and research papers using this kind of language. There's a time and place for everything.

[DarkDancer]

Semele,

Firstly I didn't refuse to name those parts, I was just too lazy to type all that in.... ;)

Secoondly, you proved my poinmt that the Vulva is not part of the vagina.


Directly outside of the vaginal opening are the labia minor, the smooth inner lips of the vulva. Outside of the inner lips are the labia majora, the fleshier outer lips that are typically covered in hair. "

Thank you.

We are in jeoipardy of hijacking thios post at this point however... ;)

[enchancea]

doesnt bother me

[Akhkharu Asgard]

I can't even begin to count the number of horrid papers I have edited containing ur l8r c etc...

What?

[Pandoras]

What?

I'm guessing...

ur -- your
l8r -- later
c -- see