how bad would....

[Azul]

how bad would it be to use magic to get someone to speak more truthfully? be more true to who they are also sorta? i know its messing with someone else and in anyway that you cant say immediatly is positive, its bad...but... who here would suggest not to? and any words on it?

[bshore]

Why would you want to? More importantly, what makes you think that you are imortant enough to be messing with what might be someone else's life lessons?

I'm not trying to be rude. I'm really suggesting you examine your motives carefully. People always ask "will it be bad if I do *this* for/to/because of someone else?". They are usually asking so that someone else can validate their own thoughts on the subject. I'm saying you should take a very hard, very honest look at why you want to do something that could altar someone's life. Even if people arround them might benefit from that person being more true to themslef, maybe one of the things they are supposed to learn in this life is just that, and if you "help" them along with magic(k), they might miss some valuable lessons. On the other hand, if you do "help" them out, their "true self" might turn out to be someone you like even less than their "fake" self.

It boils down to this: any way you look at it, you will be messing with another person's life/energy/karma/etc. Do you really want to be getting into something like that?

[Azul]

that last part of what i originally said was kinda of out of place, i really just ment to tell the truth, like verbally, a magic truth serom

[Aidron]

that last part of what i originally said was kinda of out of place, i really just ment to tell the truth, like verbally, a magic truth serom


Well, if that is the only context in which you were asking your question in regards to (as I cannot honestly see myself mustering up enough energy to work magic so they are more true to who they are, I'd probably just get fed up and cast them aside) then I certainly would. I'm not about to tolerate liars in my life and if a said person is one, I will result to magic if need be to get them to reveal the truth should it be a matter of concern for me. If it's not and they are just lying incessantly about stuff that personally is not going to damage me in a serious way (such as boastful lies) then I'll just cast them aside too.

In time you may learn, however, that you can detect such things without the use for spells, potions and so forth. I rarely need to result to such things and haven't in quite awhile. Then again, the things people lie about rarely are relevant to me.

[Azul]

Well, if that is the only context in which you were asking your question in regards to (as I cannot honestly see myself mustering up enough energy to work magic so they are more true to who they are, I'd probably just get fed up and cast them aside) then I certainly would. I'm not about to tolerate liars in my life and if a said person is one, I will result to magic if need be to get them to reveal the truth should it be a matter of concern for me. If it's not and they are just lying incessantly about stuff that personally is not going to damage me in a serious way (such as boastful lies) then I'll just cast them aside too.

In time you may learn, however, that you can detect such things without the use for spells, potions and so forth. I rarely need to result to such things and haven't in quite awhile. Then again, the things people lie about rarely are relevant to me.
thanks for the insight.

[Luminessence]

Why would you want to? More importantly, what makes you think that you are imortant enough to be messing with what might be someone else's life lessons?

I'm not trying to be rude. I'm really suggesting you examine your motives carefully. People always ask "will it be bad if I do *this* for/to/because of someone else?". They are usually asking so that someone else can validate their own thoughts on the subject. I'm saying you should take a very hard, very honest look at why you want to do something that could altar someone's life. Even if people arround them might benefit from that person being more true to themslef, maybe one of the things they are supposed to learn in this life is just that, and if you "help" them along with magic(k), they might miss some valuable lessons. On the other hand, if you do "help" them out, their "true self" might turn out to be someone you like even less than their "fake" self.

It boils down to this: any way you look at it, you will be messing with another person's life/energy/karma/etc. Do you really want to be getting into something like that?

This is basically what I was going to say. Besides that, it seems simply unfair to me to influence/change somebody using magic like that, especially without their knowledge - it comes too close to messing with their free will. Now, if you've talked about it with the other person, and the other person wants you to use magic to help them be more true to who they are, then that's a whole different issue. In that case, I see nothing wrong with it, but I think they should be a part of whatever you do to help them, just to make it more effective. I don't know whether this is the situation or not, though; from what you said in your post, I suspect it's not.

However, there's nothing wrong with bringing it to the attention of whatever divine power(s) you believe in, maybe through prayer - just something like, "Hey, I've noticed so-and-so tends to lie and act in ways that aren't true to him/herself... can you help them with this in any way that would be right for them?" You get the idea. I don't think doing anything more direct than this would be a good idea.

[Tabbykitty]

how bad would it be to use magic to get someone to speak more truthfully? be more true to who they are also sorta? i know its messing with someone else and in anyway that you cant say immediatly is positive, its bad...but... who here would suggest not to? and any words on it?

I'd say evn compelling people to tell the truth and restricting free will via magick is usuallly bad enough to affect ur own karma adversely. (if you believe in karma that is)

There are non-restrictive (ie. they do not restrict said person's free will) spells that you can use to find out if someone is lying, but ONLY YOU will know the truth. And I guess in this case you might already know the person is not saying stuff truthfully and you want to expose him.

Well, there is magick that I think doesnt really restrict the person's will per se, but allows others to "see a little more clearly" especially when communicating with said person. In essence, creating an aura of truth around either yourself or a particular object. However, when enacting this type of spell, you will also be challenged to speak the truth, especially if cast on yourself, because then everyone else will know if you are lying or jus saying a half truth, or pretending.

so ask yourself if it is truly important for others to know the truth about this person, because if it is, then, PM me for the spell. If not, just let things work their way out.

[bshore]

I would still suggest examining your motives more closely. A general rule of thumb I use is, if I'm doing something to a person for my own benefit, don't do it. If you want this person to be truthful because they're telling lies about you, someone you know, a situation you're involved in, or anything else involving you or something close to you, then you are talking about altering a person's will to suit your own aims.

If, however, this person has asked you to help them, then the choice is yours.

If you simply feel that this person would generally benefit from being more truthful, then talk to them about it. Tell them how you feel and that you would be willing to help them. If you don't think they would be open to this kind of thing, then don't do it. I don't think you should never do any kind of magic involving another person without their knowledge and full concent(sp?).

Some people might argue that you are always justified in using magic to prevent a person from harming someone else or themselves. I'd argue this by saying that you never know what sort of life lessons this person is trying to work through, or what kind of damage you might be doing to their spiritual progress by preventing them from working through this problem on their own.

Ultimatly, however, this is your life, and your karma. If you feel compelled to do something, it's usually impossible to be talked out of it. This is just advice, like you asked for, and every decision you make should be based on your own value systems and personal beliefs.

Good luck with everything.

[Azul]

thanks for the words of wisdom....im going to think more on why im doing this and post later when i have more of my own insight...