About death

[Golliath]

I had a conversation with one of my really good friends. He is Christian Catholic and I'm an eclectic spiritualist, we were talking about eachothers belief of death and heaven/hell stuff. so I came to the point where he asked me a very interesting question. "if you believe that everyone is a re incarnation then how come ppl keep multiplying~ and why are things always growing (in numbers)"

I was stuck I just said that many new things are born which then their re incarnation cycle begins but I don't want to give false information nor do i want to look like an idiot....

so can someone maybe help me out?? ^_^ thank you so much <3


Love and light~

blessed be~

and all That good stuff~






- tony

[Karma Chameleon]

I had a conversation with one of my really good friends. He is Christian Catholic and I'm an eclectic spiritualist, we were talking about eachothers belief of death and heaven/hell stuff. so I came to the point where he asked me a very interesting question. "if you believe that everyone is a re incarnation then how come ppl keep multiplying~ and why are things always growing (in numbers)"

I was stuck I just said that many new things are born which then their re incarnation cycle begins but I don't want to give false information nor do i want to look like an idiot....

so can someone maybe help me out?? ^_^ thank you so much <3


Love and light~

blessed be~

and all That good stuff~






- tony


Well I read in a book about reincartion that it's not that souls are multiplying it's that there is really an oversoul and splits off into individuals and upon death combines and recombines.

[Temptation]

Well I read in a book about reincartion that it's not that souls are multiplying it's that there is really an oversoul and splits off into individuals and upon death combines and recombines.


That's pretty much what I believe as well. Some souls are brand new and some are older souls that have had many lives. Also I don't believe that all souls come back to experience life again. Some decide to live only once and then return to the "Universal soul" to help create new souls.

[Golliath]

Hmmm

I get it, i think!

I guess I'll need to red more into it but I get the main idea ... again... I think~

But guys, thank you so much!

- Tony~

[BlackMagicalCat]

I dont believe in reincarnation either,I am me and nobody else,I will live forever.

[Xentor]

Not all souls reincarnate, not all souls reincarnate as human, and humans keep multiplying because it's their nature. Where do all the souls come from? Why, does your friend think God isn't powerful enough to accomodate them all?

[Luminessence]

I think God creates new souls. Also, some of these new human souls could be animals incarnating as humans - as the human population goes up, animal populations are going down.

[EponaCapaill]

That's pretty much what I believe as well. Some souls are brand new and some are older souls that have had many lives. Also I don't believe that all souls come back to experience life again. Some decide to live only once and then return to the "Universal soul" to help create new souls.

I am Catholic, albeit an ecclectic one, and this pretty much sums up what I believe about reincarnation. I also don't think that a soul has to return right away, though it could, it could be hundreds of years before a soul decides to return or is sent back. And the reasons for returning are varied as well. A soul could simply enjoy living or there may be unfinished business of some kind or even some purpose that we could not possibly know here on earth.

Bright Blessings,
EponaCapaill :flowers:

[Dawa Lhamo]

Umm.... how many species go extinct every day? Do you not think that they could be reborn as humans?

Also, at least in Buddhist, Jain, and Hindu thought, there are multiple realms in which someone can be born. Perhaps while our world experiences a boost in population, another world experiences a lull?

And third, even if there was a set number of souls "created" or in existence from the beginning, they weren't necessarily incarnated all at once. Say, there's 100 billion sentient beings on earth right now. (I know that's a low estimate, I just can't count that high...) So, perhaps several hundred billion souls were there at the beginning, and only a percentage are incarnate at any one moment.

Fourth, Buddhists don't even have souls. Just ask them. ^_^ Anatman is one of the principle tenets of Buddhism. They're just streams of consciousness, little temporary clusters of habits and personalities that will eventually diffuse and dissolve, so to speak. If that's true, then there's no problem with us fusing or breaking apart into separate beings.

Those are some answers for you. The first was mine from 4 years ago, the second was from one of my ReSt professors who specializes in Chinese Buddhism, and the last two just occurred to me....

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

[Myrica]

Maybe all the plants and trees that die become reincarnated in a human body, but then you should go out and count all the plants and insects,... every 10 years for a few centuries to see if its always the same total...

I believe that there are younger souls, they are newer and just started their lives. they are the less spiritually developed ones.

[Darkdale]

Actually, I agree with your friends argument. I think the other question is what evidence is their for reincarnation?

[Xentor]

The only evidence I've seen is anecdotal. However, I've not seen any convincing evidence against reïncarnation either... maybe it isn't falsifiable and only a matter of belief?

[Silver_FireStar]

I had a conversation with one of my really good friends. He is Christian Catholic and I'm an eclectic spiritualist, we were talking about eachothers belief of death and heaven/hell stuff. so I came to the point where he asked me a very interesting question. "if you believe that everyone is a re incarnation then how come ppl keep multiplying~ and why are things always growing (in numbers)"

I was stuck I just said that many new things are born which then their re incarnation cycle begins but I don't want to give false information nor do i want to look like an idiot....

so can someone maybe help me out?? ^_^ thank you so much <3


Love and light~

blessed be~

and all That good stuff~






- tony


toney, while people numbers are growing everything else is dying out. Take dodo birds for example. Gone. Re-incarnation means everything. No more dodo birds, where do their spirits go? To another race, energy can't just vanish, it must go somewhere. Be it plant, animal or human. We keep killing everything. Every day some other species becomes extinct. That's how numbers of some things can keep growing. Also this is why people say they have younger souls. Because we cannot remember animal/plant life. When we say younger, we mean younger in human terms.
At least that's how I always had it working out.

[Silver_FireStar]

And the only evidence of reincarnation I need is peoples memories of past lifes. My memories. But if you want to go into science then re-incarnation is fact. Not of the soul though. Re-incarnation science wise is simply the transference of your energy, your atoms, to that of another thing. Ie the carrion bird. It eats you, and you become it...appart from the waste. You become something else. Fact.

[misty]

I sometimes have a hard time explaining my beliefs, especially about reincarnation, but here goes.

I am a firm believer in reincarnation. I believe that each new soul has an ultimate goal of complete enlightenment. With each lifetime, the soul is one step closer to that goal. We learn many lessons in each incarnation. We are reborn over and over until we reach this enlightenment. It isn't a "prison" where we have to do things until we get it right, but rather we, as souls, choose this path in order to become closer with the Divine.

So, back to the question at hand...once a soul reaches that goal, it is "retired" so to speak :). I believe that new souls are born all of the time, just as old souls reach enlightenment and have no more incarnations.

Hope that made sense :D.

[Silver_FireStar]

I disagree with that. I've learnt that you can never know everything, so no matter how long your soul travels, you will never know everything and thus never reach total enlightenment.

[misty]

I disagree with that. I've learnt that you can never know everything, so no matter how long your soul travels, you will never know everything and thus never reach total enlightenment.
While I respect your belief, I am curious about it. If a soul never reaches enlightenment, what is the ultimate goal or reason our existance? Do we just keep going and going for no reason?

[Silver_FireStar]

There's always a reason, just look around you. How much has the world changed in just your lifetime? It always has and always will change so no one can know everything. I don't believe in ultimate enlightenment. I believe we're here to live. Have fun, learn, love, loose, hate. Feel everything. Why does there have to be more than that?

[Dawa Lhamo]

I disagree with that. I've learnt that you can never know everything, so no matter how long your soul travels, you will never know everything and thus never reach total enlightenment. I don't think that reaching enlightenment is about learning everything. I think it's about learning the right things and that it's more about becoming the right kind of person. Even if you're the type who believes in complete omniscience, this doesn't come about through learning, but from learning one right thing and then your mind suddenly expands to encircle the whole universe.... One could never learn everything, because everything is constantly changing...

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

[Xentor]

Because I want there to be.

[misty]

I don't think that reaching enlightenment is about learning everything. I think it's about learning the right things and that it's more about becoming the right kind of person.
Exactly! I should have stated this more clearly. When I say "enlightenment" I don't mean knowing EVERYTHING, but reaching a point where your soul is complete. You have reached your own personal goal.

[Silver_FireStar]

Then you believe there is, but I don't believe there is such a thing as ultimate enlightenment. Anyone who's ever watched the stargate stuff and know of the aincients know that they suppossedly reached ultimate enlightenment, and look at Oma, and she's the best of them. Heck one of the goulds ended up enlightened. So Enlightened. It means very little to me, just a goal that is unacievable. But hey you go ahead and believe, I won't even try to stop you.

[Dawa Lhamo]

Then you believe there is, but I don't believe there is such a thing as ultimate enlightenment. Anyone who's ever watched the stargate stuff and know of the aincients know that they suppossedly reached ultimate enlightenment, and look at Oma, and she's the best of them. Heck one of the goulds ended up enlightened. So Enlightened. It means very little to me, just a goal that is unacievable. But hey you go ahead and believe, I won't even try to stop you.Ok, I'm really confused by this stargate stuff. My idea of enlightenment is from Hinduism and Buddhism, real religions on real Earth.

I DO believe that ultimate enlightenment is possible. Although, I'm not trying for it in this life. Of course I'm trying to be the best person possible, but I'm not ready to escape the wheel of life and death... I've got things I want to do here...

I think my problem isn't that you believe that there is no enlightenment, but that in your third post you said "you will never know everything and thus never reach total enlightenment"... you didn't state it as something you believed, but simply stated that no one of us can do it. That I'm not so keen on.

And I'm not pushing enlightenment down your throat. I'm fully aware that you can believe what you want and I can believe what I want. You made a statement about enlightenment, and I redefined enlightenment in a different way so that I could see where you stand on that definition of enlightenment. I see you're not up to such discussion, so I'll end this conversation here. Have a nice life.

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

[misty]

But hey you go ahead and believe, I won't even try to stop you.
I will, thank you.

[Silver_FireStar]

Everything on stargate is based on thee religions of earth. I believe Oma taught Budaism on another world so that people can reach enlightenment like her, but to say they're all enlightened they aren't very nice. They believe that now everyone is below them.

[KiNoRonin]

Konnichi Wa to All:

I found out this morning that one of my Tenancy Kyakusama's Father had a Major Heart Attack yesterday and he Passed On back to the Goddess.

I wrote to the Tenant Kyakusama a Bereavement Email, in which I define for her the Druidistic/Paganistic Definition of Death in order to help Console her:

"I hereby forward to you my Regards to you Bereavement!

As I am a Druid and Wicca Pagan, I have a few Paganistic things to say:

It is in the Belief in Nature Worshipping Theologies that all forms of Energy can never be Destroyed, although such Energies can be Changed. The Life Force of the Soul is such an Energy Form, and thus can never be Destroyed, but only Changed.

Death is a form of Change in all Lifes Energies. And when such a Change occurs, the Life Force of the Departed Soul is not Destroyed, but Recycled back to the Universal Deity in whatever form that you feel comfortable with, and the Universal Deity then Reshapes, Recycles, and Reuses those Energies to create the New Generation, using the Riches of that Person's Bah Soul Past Lifes Experiences to Enrich the Next Generation.

Your Father's Soul will greatly Enrich the Universal Deity in her ability to Create New Generations, using your Fathers Experiences to greatly Enrich the Higher Selves of Future Generations.

Humanity needs to be Enriched with more Good People as your Father was."

The End
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The Above pretty much Defines the Definition of what Death is, according to the Nature Worshipping Theologies of Druidism and Paganism.


Mata Ne and Ki wo Tsuketekudasai

Ki No Ronin

[Mitsuko]

I got into a similar disscussion with a Catholic friend of mine. He was asking me what I believed about death. When I told him I believed in reincarnation, he got this puzzled look on his face and dropped the subject. Guess he didn't want to argue that day. :p

[Driffinna]

Everything on stargate is based on thee religions of earth. I believe Oma taught Budaism on another world so that people can reach enlightenment like her, but to say they're all enlightened they aren't very nice. They believe that now everyone is below them.


You do realize Stargate is just a TV show... right?

[dragonprincess]

Umm.... how many species go extinct every day? Do you not think that they could be reborn as humans?


Dawa Lhamo
This is an interesting theory, it would explain why so many humans are becoming more violent and distructive, and hateful of other humans. I hope i can explain it properly. If the souls from a species that becomes extinct from deforestation or similar human factor is then reborn as a human, do you think maybe that soul will harbour an innate hatred of humans?
Thanks Dawa Lhamo, for making me think tonight. :braindrai

[9-2-2]

Well, expand your horizons for a bit. Not all souls on Earth are human, some come from non-Earth origins. Likewise, existence is ETERNAL. There is no limit to souls at all. If your friend pops off with, "well why are there a certain number of humans and things?" Answer with: all the humans on earth and beings in the universe currently existing are all that's required right now. When the unvierse needs more, there will be more. If it needs less, it pushes for a nuke, quake, or meteor.

[KiNoRonin]

Konnichi Wa to All:

I ran into the Tenant whose Father had Passed Away on Saturday Afternoon.

I gave her a Great Big Sympathetic Hug, and she informed me that she Loved the Sentiments that I wrote it my Sympathy Email to her.

I am Invited to the Funeral this Afternoon, which starts at 2:00pm. I am taking my Tarot Deck in case she wants a Afterlife Reincarnation Tarot Reading.

KNR

[David19]

I think maybe some souls might come from other realms/planes (which is where the otherkin thing comes from), maybe planets too and maybe whatever creates souls, has created a lot of them recently for some reason. I have no idea what i believe about the afterlife, i kind of believe that there are multiple realms (e.g. Hades is where followers of the Greek religion will go, Hel is where Asatru and other Norse/Anglo-Saxon pagons will go, Jews/Christians/Muslims will go to heaven, Summerian/Mesopatanian pagans will go to their underworld, although i do believe that there may be something like the Christian Hell where pediphiles, rapists, Hitler, nazis and neo-nazis, etc will go since i can't imagine an god welcoming someone like Hitler). Anyway that's kind of my belief on the afterlife for now.

[SacredWithin]

I had a conversation with one of my really good friends. He is Christian Catholic and I'm an eclectic spiritualist, we were talking about eachothers belief of death and heaven/hell stuff. so I came to the point where he asked me a very interesting question. "if you believe that everyone is a re incarnation then how come ppl keep multiplying~ and why are things always growing (in numbers)"

I was stuck I just said that many new things are born which then their re incarnation cycle begins but I don't want to give false information nor do i want to look like an idiot....

so can someone maybe help me out?? ^_^ thank you so much <3


Love and light~

blessed be~

and all That good stuff~






- tony


Well, peronally, I don't think things are always growing in numbers. There is always something going on that helps to control the popluation. There are major natural things that happen like plagues and epidemics. I think that souls don't just inhabit humans, but other living things as well.