Pagan Sexuality...

[Kaylara]

Has being pagan affected the way you percieve love and/or love making? Do you know Tantra or Sex Magick? Does the nature of paganism mean that your views on sex change?

Kaylara

[eaglewolf]

Why me? As tempting as this thread is, I think waiting a while is my best option... adding a little here and there as it progresses, LoL!

I will say, being Pagan all of my life, there was no need for change, as I have known no other way...

As far as Tantra and Sex Magick for raising power(?), well, need I answer that? :p

~ew

[Lady Tana]

now who could have guessed that EW would be the first to answer this thread... lmao!!

as for me... i guess it made me more 'open' sexually, more able to do what i like i guess...

or maybe that was just the age thing??
not sure :)
but i WILL have to try the Tantra and Sex Magick for raising power things... oh yes i will :eek:

[eaglewolf]

For me, the two fastest ways to raise powerful energy...

Sex and Anger.

Though I try to steer clear of the latter, when I can.

;)

~ew

[bluecat]

I am comforatble with the sexuality that I have within the Pagan community ... I am incorrigable and encouragable ... strange though, I am also ready to settle down

BlueCat

[Dextra]

I feel that beeing pagan has made me a lot more comfortable with myself as well as my sexuality. When you feel more comfortable with yourself, you tend to enjoy youself a lot more. And that's all I got to say about that! :D

[Red Dragon]

;) Seriously though, Paganism has definitely changed my perceptions about sexuality. Any one who grew up in an organized religious household got a full dose of guilt about sex and sexuality. As most of this guilt association is based on the doctrines of several faiths, it is not surprising that when you shed the other guilt and become newly aware, you will also shed those taboos and misconceptions surrounding sexuality. Well we Dragons do tend to ramble...
Hee,hee :p

[lynx]

I feel that same as I always have. I am me. A person with blood and desires. Not to be alone. To be with someone. To also be free. These all matter when answering this question.

I have a body. It feels. I enjoy. That to me is life.

Being a mom helps me to be more open. I guess. I mean I know a little more about what my body really can do. :) I leave my mind open. I figure that way, my son might understand more about sex and what have you. (Maybe if he is lucky, he'll be like his mom. I see a man or woman and think of the greatness of the human body. Kinda takes away from the sex cravings, but I get what I need. LOVE!)

Lynx :D

[richardcranium]

I used to see it as just having sex. When I was a virgin I wanted so bad just to get rid of my virginity and get on with the rest of it. After I had lost it I started getting into paganism and realized that it wasn't just about sex. For me this is as close as I can get to actually touching the Goddess. I am also with my girlfriend that stole my virginity from me and we will be handfasted in the fall of 2001.

[Dextra]

Originally posted by richardcranium
I used to see it as just having sex. When I was a virgin I wanted so bad just to get rid of my virginity and get on with the rest of it. After I had lost it I started getting into paganism and realized that it wasn't just about sex. For me this is as close as I can get to actually touching the Goddess. I am also with my girlfriend that stole my virginity from me and we will be handfasted in the fall of 2001.

Hey, congratulations! I really didn't get to elaborate last night because I was too tired. :)

But my thought on the on the aspect of paganism affecting my views on love.....I think that in the path that I follow, where the God and Goddess are seen as equals, it helps me to see both the male and female sides of myself, as well as in others. I have also seen that men who are pagan are more willing to accept the feminine side within themselves. My theory is that if men can accept the feminine side within themselves and women can accept their masculine side, then we get a better understanding of one another, therefore creating a stronger bond between the two.

This probably makes no sense to anyone but me, but its the best way I could explain it. Haven't had my coffee yet, so I may have rambled a bit. :D

[Kaylara]

So true EW... Sex and Anger both raise energy pretty quickly. But I have found that Sexual energy is much more plesant to work with, and I would much rather work with sex than anger.
Sexuality was a hard subject for me to breach for a while, but it was paganism that helped me to realize that I could feel again. It helped me to trust people again, and it gave me a catharsis that I wouldn't have gotten otherwise. You see, when I was 15, I was raped by a guy that I had known for years. It destroyed me mentally, emotionally, etc. It was hard to be close to any of my friends, much less those people who were close to me. Being pagan, and having pagan friends really helped me through it.

Kaylara
(But the guy who raped me got a taste of what I can do when I am angry... Three months later his life fell apart. He wound up getting in to a massive bike accident that left him in a full body cast. I didn't hex him, just asked the Lord and Lady to give him what he deserved.)

[eaglewolf]

;)

[Twig]

Well this is kinda strange. I started into paganism while still a virgin. 8O Somewhat of a late bloomer I guess.
Peace,
Twig
:elf:

[SeekerSandy]

I re-entered the Pagan path after a long hiatus. Never having been afraid or unsure of my sexuality, nevertheless I had been subconciously repressing much of it. My 'circle' of fellow solitaries helped me reach the understanding that the Craft is Love, Love is Power, Power is Magick.
We are middle-aged and without hangups or fears of losing our drive. Without Love, we wouldn't have the Magick that we do.
Of course, at our age (all in our 50's), sex is different than it was in our youth. We are free to create, not procreate. Rasing Magickal power takes strength and patience, something we have acquired through the Path and wisdom of years.
I would have to say the Wicca has increased our sexual pleasure and Magickal abilities, they go hand-in-hand.
Beats the hell out of a proper xian life, no?

[bluecat]

Originally posted by Kaylara
(But the guy who raped me got a taste of what I can do when I am angry... Three months later his life fell apart. He wound up getting in to a massive bike accident that left him in a full body cast. I didn't hex him, just asked the Lord and Lady to give him what he deserved.)

I think the Lord and Lady and the Universe was too kind to him. When I was in the service I was a Legal NCO/Paralegal and I worked for the Army's equivalent of a D.A. During that time I came to feel, and still do, that rape, and crimes against children are the worst crimes on the books.

As a Pagan I see sexuality as a wonderful thing, not to be abused or feared. It always bothers me when I see or hear of anyone (male or female) who has known fear in connection with sex. This does not have to be the product of the crimes I mentioned above, but it can also come from oppression by an authority figure or set of rules and beliefs that teach and preach that sex is wrong and dirty.

For me sex has to have a very personal feeling between the people involved. I have engaged in indiscriminate sex in the past at parties and such and while the physical act was satisfying and brought pleasure it was sort of empty. Well, it is early and I have not had enough coffee either, I think I will stop before this becomes too rambling.

BlueCat

[Semele]

Sex is better when feeling magikal!! It is a great way to send energy. What better way to visualise your energy being sent to the cosmos then when you reach mutual orgasm with someone you love. I must admit though that it does leave you more spent after magikal sex, but that just assures a better nights rest!!!

Not all sex has to be "magik" consciously, but I do feel that it always has a magikal element involved with Mol and I. Mostly because with our schedules and hectic family life it takes an act of magik to get to that point!!! Just kidding!

Semele

[Earth Walker]

:cool: Sex is a misdeanor.
...de more I miss...
...de meaner I get. :d :sunny:

[Carmelo]

Originally posted by richardcranium
After I had lost it I started getting into paganism and realized that it wasn't just about sex

You know, I used to think Paganism was mostly about sex, too. But then I found that Hollywood will portray sex with anything and anything with sex. It was not until I began to open my eyes that I found that you all are not a bunch of sex crazed lunatics running around in ceremonies trying to rape each other. Thank God for open-mindedness, individuality, and a great teacher!:D

[Carmelo]

Originally posted by SeekerSandy

Of course, at our age (all in our 50's), sex is different than it was in our youth. We are free to create, not procreate.

I found that anyone can achieve the ideal of creation, rather than procreation, at any age if they would just not treat sexual intercourse as a means to satisfy the self. IMHO sex is better when it's a mutual satisfaction rather than individual interests. I'm glad I realized this by the time I turned the age I am now...26.;)

[Earth Walker]

Sex is not for the sole purpose of procreation, as the
fundamentalists would have you believe. :p
Sex is also for pleasure. :bigredgri
Athena is a very important Maiden Goddess. She
never consorts with men. In the trinity of the
Goddesses, there is always this Virgin Aspect, the
Maiden as a lesbian Goddess. :cool: This is the
Goddess of Freedom, exemplified by Athena, Diana,
Persephone, Artemis and Kallisto(some of the more
recognizable Virgin-aspect names).
In the Goddess pentarch there is a lesbian Goddess
as well. :cool: This leads us to surmise that sexuality
in the matriarchies emphasized pleasure rather than
procreation, and that lesbianism was a natural mode
of interaction among women(a natural birth control),
while heterosexuality was chosen seasonally for the
purpose of breeding or attraction for men.
The craft is not only a religion, it is also a lifestyle.
In the time of the Matriarchies, the craft of women
was common knowledge. The remnants of that
knowledge constitute the body of what we call
"witchcraft" today. The massive remainder of that
knowledge is buried within ourselves, in our deep
minds, in our genes.
In order to reclaim it, we have to open ourselves to
psychic experiences in the safety of feminist covens.

Walk gently with the Goddess. :sunny:

[Kaylara]

I agree with you on some of that. But, I am more into the equality of the sexes when it comes to magick. I like the polarity that comes into play when you work with people of both genders. (While I fully understand that one can work with different kinds of polarity.)
I personally am bi-sexual and polyamourous, and my Matron goddess is Athena. (Go figure that one out EW.)

Kaylara

[eaglewolf]

Originally posted by Kaylara

I personally am bi-sexual and polyamourous, and my Matron goddess is Athena. (Go figure that one out EW.)

I am working on it...

;)

~ew

[Fairywolf]

Lets talk about sex......

One of my favorite subjects!! I personally don't see where my sex life has changed since I have became a pagen . I have always been very open minded on this subject. I feel as long as you are happy with yourself and your mate you shoudn't feel like holding anything back. Explore any option that sounds like fun to you and go with it. Besides you only live once why not make the best of it and enjoy it!!!

[Ozymandias]

I've posted before about my beleifs in tantric magic, and I certainly made a beleiver out of my ex-mate. Wonderfully adept at all forms of pleasure I managed to suprise even her. As I often do I tend to neglect the only strong magical talent I have(Why?). My current mate hasn't experienced it yet, due to our schedules not giving us time but she will.
I have always felt those of us with open minds andcuriosity will often find pleasure in things most would find a sin of just evil. Oh well their loss.

Does Tantra allow for a breif touch with the goddess? I beleive so, I touched her once and shy'ed away for I felt I was not worthy.

[SeekerSandy]

Well, now we are reaching new heights and exchaning great ideas and information.
Not that I was in to lovemaking at a younger age for strictly procreational reasons, it is always a human drive and constant thought when young and ripe. At an older age, it is no longer a concern, allowing old studs like me to concentrate entirely on the giving of pleasure.
I think A J Drew came closest to what I feel now in his "Wicca for Men" book: You don't have to wait for a once a year drawing down the moon for a man to feel that perhaps he is sharing directily with the Goddess, nor for a woman to feel that she is sharing with the Horned One. Since I became totally committed to Wicca, I feel the Presence in my lover (which ever one it is at the moment) and feel something strange in me as well. I believe it to be the Horned One, sharing and enjoying---and leaving a little something behind.
Agree with a previous statement about hollywood making such garbage up as Paganism only being about sex. Sex is a part of the love that we raise, but not the sole or primary purpose of my following this blessed path.
Enjoy, all!

[Silverwitch]

Having been brought up in a Military/Baptist family, I was unaware until my teens that anyone other than me had skin from their neck to their ankles, as I had never seen ANYONE naked other than myself!! So much for the swinging 60's. Victorian hangups abounded through my teens, that is until I "found" Paganism.

It took sometime to get rid of all those hangups, but eventually I found out about the power and beauty of sex. I do think that to be really meaningful, it has to be with someone you care for a great deal, otherwise it becomes just another appetite.

I also agree that anger and sex are the quickest way to raise power, and I know which one I prefer!

[Dextra]

Originally posted by Carmelo


You know, I used to think Paganism was mostly about sex, too. But then I found that Hollywood will portray sex with anything and anything with sex. It was not until I began to open my eyes that I found that you all are not a bunch of sex crazed lunatics running around in ceremonies trying to rape each other. Thank God for open-mindedness, individuality, and a great teacher!:D

And we haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet ........ just you wait ......... heh heh heh....... ;)

[bluecat]

:cool: Well, I won't say I'm sex crazed, but I have been asked about the "Tube Steak Boogie" recently. :cool: I never knew it was a "dance" :D.

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Carmelo]

Originally posted by Dextra


And we haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet ........ just you wait ......... heh heh heh....... ;)

I should have known that if anyone would answer, she would. She's such a smarta**!

[SeekerSandy]

Smart*** or not, we're having a good time, without hangups or getting into the gutter. Quite refreshing! Masters and Johnson ain't got nothing on Pagans.....
Now if there were just a few around here who would like to continue this, uh, discussion in person. See, there go some minds right back down there. LOL

[Niamh]

Being a "recovering Catholic," I surprisingly never had any guilt or hang-ups about sex or sexuality. My mother had lots of talks with me on the subject, telling me not to listen to the Church on this issue. That my body is mine and mine alone, and that I can enjoy it while I have it, to do what feels right and to stand up for myself when something feels wrong. I think with age I'm enjoying myself more and more... :D