Lilith!

[AmbivalentMirage]

Any Lilith worshippers here? Check in! ;)

I started my service to Lilith a little over a year ago. I kept having dreams where she would appear. I, at the time, thought she was an evil demon... so I would try to banish her. I spent time writing spells to keep her away. A good friend told me that, maybe, I should look into other views of Lilith. I did... and found that not everyone believed her to be evil! :lol: So, I did some trance work to connect to her. I did and realized how wrong I had been.

She might not always be the warm, snuggly mother Goddess who feeds us milk and cookies... but she's one kickass woman. ;)

[Mistress_Ravenshadow]

I have always been interested in lilith but i can never seem to find much about her

[Asraix]

Lilith is a mighty strong goddess. From personal experience I have to advise against asking her help in any issues that have to do with males though. I learned that the hard way.

[Wolffang]

I knew lilith for sometime now and she has been through my dreams and helped me through rough times when things went wrong...In my dreams she often gave me messages to connect with me...Even though I don't understand, it was very beautiful of what I saw...

[AlAskendir]

Any Lilith worshippers here? Check in! ;)

I started my service to Lilith a little over a year ago. I kept having dreams where she would appear. I, at the time, thought she was an evil demon... so I would try to banish her. I spent time writing spells to keep her away. A good friend told me that, maybe, I should look into other views of Lilith. I did... and found that not everyone believed her to be evil! :lol: So, I did some trance work to connect to her. I did and realized how wrong I had been.

She might not always be the warm, snuggly mother Goddess who feeds us milk and cookies... but she's one kickass woman. ;)


I have a bunch of personal Gnosis concerning her....from Shekinah, but not everyone feels it to be, um, valid or good or anything...so, not wanting to offend anyone else.....I hesitate to post them...

[BlueMoon13]

"Auntie Lil"??? Ask away dear one,ask away. PM if you like :uhhuhuh: . You're off to a good start, for above all Lilith will NOT be ignored :megaphone :megaphone !

[AmbivalentMirage]

I have a bunch of personal Gnosis concerning her....from Shekinah, but not everyone feels it to be, um, valid or good or anything...so, not wanting to offend anyone else.....I hesitate to post them...

I'd LOVE to hear it. :) Even if you don't feel comfortable posting it here, please PM it to me. I love learning new lore. And, even if I don't agree with it, it will give me a new way of looking at things and something to consider. It's always important to be open-minded - ESPECIALLY with deity!

[whiteravenfire]

This may have nothing to do with the goddess Lilith but I'll mention it anyway.

I had a dreams a few months ago that had a big effect on me. I'd kinda been going through a crisis of faith and was depressed. I had been actively been seeking guidance from Frigga before going to sleep. This dream was incredibly vivid and a bit bizarre so bare with me. I was in bed pregnant, you would think I miight have found this odd being a guy but this felt perfectly normal, I then gave birth to a baby girl. I remember feeling that this was one of the most beautiful experiences in my life, I called the baby Lilith and then woke up.

Now I have had very little to do with Lilith, I always heard she was quite scary, but after a little research I found that she is asociated with independence, strength and believing in yourself. All things that I needed to do.

Now perhaps this was just my subconscious working but I prefer to think that the dream was a message...an important one that has made me stronger. :)

[Pure Ahimsa]

Any Lilith worshippers here? Check in! ;)

I started my service to Lilith a little over a year ago. I kept having dreams where she would appear. I, at the time, thought she was an evil demon... so I would try to banish her. I spent time writing spells to keep her away. A good friend told me that, maybe, I should look into other views of Lilith. I did... and found that not everyone believed her to be evil! :lol: So, I did some trance work to connect to her. I did and realized how wrong I had been.

She might not always be the warm, snuggly mother Goddess who feeds us milk and cookies... but she's one kickass woman. ;)


Was Lilith a Pagan Goddess that was depicted as evil by the Church or something? If so, what type of Goddess is she and where from, and also...whats her descritption? :viking:

[whiteravenfire]

I think lilith was a babylonian goddess Middle eastern... But I'm not certain. I've read on the web (I forget where) that she was Adam's first wife in the garden of Eden. But Lilith would not be dominated by Adam and was cast out of Paradise and viewed as a demon.

[Pilot]

I think lilith was a babylonian goddess Middle eastern... But I'm not certain. I've read on the web (I forget where) that she was Adam's first wife in the garden of Eden. But Lilith would not be dominated by Adam and was cast out of Paradise and viewed as a demon.

I have read that after she was cast out she made a deal with the devil and became the first female demon. But I have also read that she was cursed by God to become a demon-

[mental_copper]

Whatever the truth may be, it's very interesting. How are you today, Pilot?

[AlAskendir]

I'd LOVE to hear it. :) Even if you don't feel comfortable posting it here, please PM it to me. I love learning new lore. And, even if I don't agree with it, it will give me a new way of looking at things and something to consider. It's always important to be open-minded - ESPECIALLY with deity!


Cool!
Here goes!!!

The Maleness of the OverGod chose a male (Adam) and female (Lilith) being from Tiamaat before it was destroyed, and translated them to the mythic Astral level to model how their new race would handle things. He worked upon them so that not only knowledge was required for great power, but wisdom as well. Knowing the amazing effectiveness of rebellion as a way of learning and being free, He purposely set up the ‘tree of knowledge’ gambit, with the fallacy known as ‘Evil‘.

Meanwhile, Adam walked with the Maleness of the OverGod, whom he grew to know as JeHoVaH, and Lilith walked with the Femaleness of the OverGod, who she grew to know as SHeKiNaH. Unto Adam it was given the naming of beings and things. Unto Lilith it was given the putting of things into order. Adam and Lilith loved, mated, and produced a daughter, Eve. Eventually, Lilith began the path of rebellion, partaking of the ‘tree of knowledge’, but most of it she could not keep down. Staggering away, she went to recover from all the revelations. After a time along came a wild dog. As part of his named function, he began cleaning up the mess Lilith had made. He was transformed into the first wolf, FatherWolf!
He saw that if Adam tasted the fruit of Knowledge, wolves would be hunted and enslaved or destroyed. He sought out Lilith, and together they made an agreement to have their progeny live together as equals without fences, bars, gates, chains, or walls.
Lilith sought out Adam to try the Tantra in part of her revelations. He found a new sexual position an incredible idea (up to then, only position = ‘doggy’-style), but as they loved, he had a taste of the fruit of knowledge from her lips, and he knew what she had done. Finishing and putting her from him, he rushed to the tree himself, plucked, had one bite, and saw what Lilith and FatherWolf had done together as a violation of his prerogative as the namer. He ‘divorced’ Lilith, exiling her from his presence, raped their daughter Eve, and made her his wife, then set about enslaving the wolf......

About now Jehovah ‘put them out of the garden’ - - - returned them to the normal level as the new humanity archetypes.

Lilith had had a full fruit, minus the half she later vomited. FatherWolf had had a portion of that half.
Adam had had a taste and a bite of a fruit, and Eve had had merely a taste, unwillingly. This was reflected in the ease with which each of the beings living within those archetypes came to knowledge, learning, wisdom, power, and magick.

There's more, but it doesn't concern Lilith...

[BlueMoon13]

Lilith was Adam's first wife, made,like him from the earth, and was therefore his equal. But since God used more earth to make Adam, he was physically stronger, and lorded that fact over Lilith, even to the point where he used force to make her lie beneath him during intercourse. (it's also said that Adam was physically stronger because God made him with his RIGHT hand,as opposed to Lilith,whom he made with his LEFT hand. That is why Lilith is sometimes referred to as the Left-hand Emanation) Anyway,she got fed up with this so she spoke outloud the "unutterable" ie:magical,name of god, upon which she flew up to God's side to become his consort.But he referred to her as "slave woman" and considered beneath him and his wife/female side, the Shekinah. Not willing to settle for second fiddle,Lilith flew back to earth and settled in a cave by the Red Sea to consort with demons(chief among them Samael) who worshipped her as their queen, and she bore hundreds of children a day,the lilim.
Meanwhile:god made Adam a wife from his rib, so that she was subservient to him. BUT,he complained to god,BUT ALL she does is just lay beneath me! I want the first one back. So god sent three angels to fetch Lilith back. We all pretty much know what her response was- I DON'T THINK SO. The angels told her if she didn't go back, god would slay 100 of her children for every day that she refused. In response she said she would slay As many of Eve's descendenscnts that she pleased, and would have all the time in the world to do it since by consorting with god, she was immortal as well. God relented, but Lilith was so ticked off by this threat,she said she would still prey upon Eve's descendents if the mood struck her, but would pass by any that displayed an amulet
bearing the names or likeness of the 3 angels, in acknowledgement of her triumph over their "boss". (Notice how she doesn't blame the messengers!)
Of course this mutated into the belief that the amulets keep away Lilith because SHE's afraid of god's power :rolleyes: .
Lilith became associated with Inanna, Sumerian goddess of war and pleasure, much like the Morrigan is goddess of war,sex, and death. She is often depicted with her animals the lion and owl,wearing the triple crown of Sumerian royalty and holding the royal scepter,a sort of ankh shaped thing. She is also depicted as having bird feet,in a nod to her "demonic"nature.She is also thought to be the queen of Sheba referred to in the Old Testament.
Overall, Lilith has gotten a bad rap. Rape victim, woman scorned,woman asserting her independence,mother protecting her children.........hell, I would've flown off to consort with demons in a cave ,too!

[BlueMoon13]

Oh,BTW......I make some really nice Lilith amulets,even if I do say so myself :heybaby: !
Also,keep in mind: by speaking "the name", she cast the first spell, which I guess makes her the first witch?!?!?!

[AmbivalentMirage]

Oh,BTW......I make some really nice Lilith amulets,even if I do say so myself :heybaby: !
Also,keep in mind: by speaking "the name", she cast the first spell, which I guess makes her the first witch?!?!?!

I have a slight variation on the original story that is worked into my personal faith, but, like I said.. you can learn from lore, even if it doesn't ring true for you! :)

I've always thought of Lilith as the first witch and protectorate of the abused.

I'd love to see some of your amulets! :)

[BlueMoon13]

I've always thought of Lilith as the first witch and protectorate of the abused. :uhhuhuh:

I'd love to see some of your amulets! :)
Aw shucks! (blushes)I don't keep any on hand, pre-made as it were....perhaps I should start :huh:

[Pure Ahimsa]

Thanks for the info on Lilith. So, she is a Pagan Goddess and then was looked at different by the bible?

[Karma Chameleon]

Thanks for the info on Lilith. So, she is a Pagan Goddess and then was looked at different by the bible?


I don't think Lilith is even in the bible.

[Pure Ahimsa]

I don't think Lilith is even in the bible.


They took her out of the bible, but I remember seeing and reading about how she was there before Eve, but the Roman Catholic Church changed it.

[Airla]

Lilith is not mentioned in the Bible as we know it today, but is refered to in ancient jewish texts. Heres some links...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/index.htm
The Babylonian Talmud Translated by M.L. Rodkinson [1918]
This massive ten volume abridgement of the Talmud, the Jewish compendium of law and tradition, is the only extensive public domain translation. It is presented for the first time anywhere on the Internet at sacred-texts.com.

A search for Lilith on Sacred-taxts.com (http://www.google.com/custom?domains=www.sacred-texts.com&q=lilith&sitesearch=www.sacred-texts.com&sa=Search&client=pub-8617793260330971&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3 A336699%3BALC%3A000000%3BLC%3A000000%3BT%3A0000FF%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en)

[AmbivalentMirage]

Thanks for the links, I completely lost my bookmarks recently, so I needed some. ;)

Lilith was never in the Torah. She is an element of Jewish folklore, as it were. There are SO many stories and opinions on her that it is mind blowing, mostly because her existence was an effect of a kind of "counter-culture" within ancient Hebrew life. :)

Does anyone else here have their own personal stories or experiences with Lilith that they'd like to share?

[Geryongesis]

Lililth is one of the Qlippothic avatars, ruling over the sphere of Malkuth. Yes she is considered a daemion by modern mythology, but since when does that make her any less valid. Being evil doesnt make you a bad person.

[AmbivalentMirage]

:bump:

[darkchild]

I'm bumping this thread up to see if anyone has had an experience with
Lilith that they might like to share as I have very recently had a dream where she presented herself to me. I was asking for it without really knowing it...go figure.

So, anyone? I would love to hear experiences or dreams you have had concerning Her.

[Tabula Rasa]

Lilith is considered by many followers of the discordian faith to be one of the first Discordians.

[darkchild]

Very interesting. I am not of the discordian faith, I don't think. I don't have much knowledge about it though. Maybe I should take a closer look. Thank you for the information

[Avlyn]

Last night I wrote this: @ Darknight

I'm not sure if this is the right thread to post in, but I just really wanted to share my first experience with a Goddes ever. And it wasn't fabricated or planned at all. In fact I'm a little bit ill atm, the main reason why I didn't go to the forest to fest Mabo.

When I layed in bed I had a very strong feeling of being watched, because I couldn't devine wether it was a good entity or not I just figured to let it come over me even though I was scared becaus I couldn't devine it, and I prayed to the Great Goddes that if anyone was in need for my help, she'd let me know. I went out of my body and floated above my bed. Still I let it all happen and suddenly the name of Lilith came into my head, out of the blew. I felt the darkness, the unimaginal strenght and I realised she's was there to let me know. I know all the stories of Lilith being a demon and the funny fact is because of my christian indoctrination at first I thought there was a demon in the room, but I did not panick however I was scared.

It was the Dark Goddes Lilith, the woman who devided God, who did not obey like the sweet-loving-Eva. The message was very clear to me; she had visited me to strenghten my witchcraft path,
I'm allowed to be dark inside, a sign of taking my old pleasing-willing mask off. I won't have to be the good yadiyadiya. Playing the nice, sweet girl hasn't bring me far in life and Lilith showed me that she wants to guide me.

I'm overwhelmed and I never go behind the screen in the night but I felt to overwhelmed I just wanted to share this. And maybe that other members know resources on Lilith not based on christian myths. If there are any I have no clue.

I'm embracing myself and I really like to hear experiences from other members with Lilith. To me she's a rock inside, stronger then any stone and I think a pretty complicated deity to work with.

And I really like to know more about this too.

I'd LOVE to hear it. :) Even if you don't feel comfortable posting it here, please PM it to me. I love learning new lore. And, even if I don't agree with it, it will give me a new way of looking at things and something to consider. It's always important to be open-minded - ESPECIALLY with deity!

[Avlyn]

What is the discordian faith ????

[Akasha]

I've been thinking about Lilith more recently, as well as other "dark" Goddesses (Hecate, Morrigan) and I was wondering if any of you have had any…”dangerous” experiences? I don’t really like to use that word, but it’s hard to explain…I mean, do you feel that Lilith can be caring at all to a human (and I don’t mean in a nice lovey-dovey way), is she more of a symbol of independence to you, do you feel that the guidance she’s given you is more or less reasonable? I am certainly not saying that darkness and independence are “evil”, but I wonder if any of you have ever felt that potential, or if you have to keep that energy in check and balance it out perhaps with other Goddesses. I do not mean this to be offensive in any way. I do believe the dark and light are equally important. Has Lilith helped you become stronger in ways that are beneficial to you? I hope this came out the way I intended it to…

[LithiumViolets]

yes, i rather like this thread. good to hear more about Lillith.

[hikarilove]

I started laughing when I saw this post. I'm AmbivalentMirage (new name, same person) and always happy to chit-chat about the queen b&$*@ of the universe. ;)

I'm bumping this thread up to see if anyone has had an experience with
Lilith that they might like to share as I have very recently had a dream where she presented herself to me. I was asking for it without really knowing it...go figure.

So, anyone? I would love to hear experiences or dreams you have had concerning Her.

The fact that Lilith appeared to YOU is a good sign. From my experience, she chooses her children carefully and does not bother with outsiders. I've had many dreams about Lilith and she tends to invade my meditations - unexpected and unannounced. Suddenly, she's just there... saying or doing SOMETHING.

Lilith is considered by many followers of the discordian faith to be one of the first Discordians.

Makes sense to me. Lilith is a form of primordial chaos, really. :)

I've been thinking about Lilith more recently, as well as other "dark" Goddesses (Hecate, Morrigan) and I was wondering if any of you have had any…”dangerous” experiences? I don’t really like to use that word, but it’s hard to explain…I mean, do you feel that Lilith can be caring at all to a human (and I don’t mean in a nice lovey-dovey way), is she more of a symbol of independence to you, do you feel that the guidance she’s given you is more or less reasonable? I am certainly not saying that darkness and independence are “evil”, but I wonder if any of you have ever felt that potential, or if you have to keep that energy in check and balance it out perhaps with other Goddesses. I do not mean this to be offensive in any way. I do believe the dark and light are equally important. Has Lilith helped you become stronger in ways that are beneficial to you? I hope this came out the way I intended it to…

I would classify a few of my experiences with Lilith as "dangerous". She used to appear in my dreams and choke me until I woke up, thrashing around in my bed. She is not afraid to use force or violence to get my attention or prove a point - and being a child of hers, I'm incredibly stubborn.

Lilith genuinely cares about her children, but no one else. She will lie, cheat, steal, and murder. She is overwhelmingly independent, rebellious, and cryptic. Sometimes, just her presence is almost intoxicating... I begin to feel blind rage, cunning.

Hopefully this will make sense to other Lilith devotées, but I see myself (and her other followers) as the lilim. A part of her is within me... like a, well, parasite. It provides certain benefits (strength, independence, focus) but also takes a certain toll on me (sometimes I enter a trance without meaning to or accidentally influence others). In this way, I do not have to balance the energy of Lilith with that of other deities because it is already balanced by my own humanity and persona on a day-to-day basis.

Lilith has made me stronger, more independent, more willing to take chances, and more opportunistic (good or bad?) than I could have ever imagined. She is certainly not the most friendly of deities... but I wouldn't turn my back on her for a second.

...because I'm pretty sure she'd stab it. :lol:

[hikarilove]

haha.

There are THREE Lilith threads on the first page of this forum.

Is she planning an invasion? ;)

[RoseKitten]

Was Lilith a Pagan Goddess that was depicted as evil by the Church or something? If so, what type of Goddess is she and where from, and also...whats her descritption? :viking:

No... see below.

I think lilith was a babylonian goddess Middle eastern... But I'm not certain. I've read on the web (I forget where) that she was Adam's first wife in the garden of Eden. But Lilith would not be dominated by Adam and was cast out of Paradise and viewed as a demon.

She was not a goddess, by any means, she was a demon that has risen to the title of goddess over time. That part started when people started unearthing Sumerian history (Sumer is the first documented civilization that we know of). Lillith was orginally believed to be the same as Inanna, but further research showed that she was in fact a demon. Historically, she was not someone you wanted to go to for anything, for any reason, especially when dealing with children. Originally she harassed the goddess Inanna, but eventually became -kind of- like a servant, going out and gathering men and stealing babies for the goddess. But, entities do change over time, and some believe her to be a goddess now, I'm not one of them, but I'm by far not the end all be all. :) Just my opinion.

In Jewish folklore she was in fact the first wife of Adam, but I'm not sure where that myth originates from, or if that is the origination point for that. :) I have studied only a little about Lilllith, but what I've read deals with Inanna. ^_^

I have read that after she was cast out she made a deal with the devil and became the first female demon. But I have also read that she was cursed by God to become a demon-

And that's where we get back to how far into history you are going, and what faith myths you are looking at. :)

[hikarilove]

In fact, etymology suggests that Lilith is derived from an ancient wind demon and the age-old fear of women that they might die in childbirth or have their young killed by mysterious illness. :)

She's more like primordial ooze than a goddess, to be frank.

[RoseKitten]

In fact, etymology suggests that Lilith is derived from an ancient wind demon and the age-old fear of women that they might die in childbirth or have their young killed by mysterious illness. :)

She's more like primordial ooze than a goddess, to be frank.

Lillith was a litu-demon (sp??) I don't have any of my books on me, but she was an anchient demon, and yes, she did like to kill women, their children, and others. She also regularly seduced men to bring back to Inanna. But, people change, so it's possible demons do as well. It's also possible that she is something that grew out of a demon into something... more? She is not something I'm an expert on though, I just don't trust many internet sites, so, ymmv.

[David19]

No... see below.



She was not a goddess, by any means, she was a demon that has risen to the title of goddess over time. That part started when people started unearthing Sumerian history (Sumer is the first documented civilization that we know of). Lillith was orginally believed to be the same as Inanna, but further research showed that she was in fact a demon. Historically, she was not someone you wanted to go to for anything, for any reason, especially when dealing with children. Originally she harassed the goddess Inanna, but eventually became -kind of- like a servant, going out and gathering men and stealing babies for the goddess. But, entities do change over time, and some believe her to be a goddess now, I'm not one of them, but I'm by far not the end all be all. :) Just my opinion.

In Jewish folklore she was in fact the first wife of Adam, but I'm not sure where that myth originates from, or if that is the origination point for that. :) I have studied only a little about Lilllith, but what I've read deals with Inanna. ^_^



And that's where we get back to how far into history you are going, and what faith myths you are looking at. :)

In fact, etymology suggests that Lilith is derived from an ancient wind demon and the age-old fear of women that they might die in childbirth or have their young killed by mysterious illness. :)

She's more like primordial ooze than a goddess, to be frank.

Lillith was a litu-demon (sp??) I don't have any of my books on me, but she was an anchient demon, and yes, she did like to kill women, their children, and others. She also regularly seduced men to bring back to Inanna. But, people change, so it's possible demons do as well. It's also possible that she is something that grew out of a demon into something... more? She is not something I'm an expert on though, I just don't trust many internet sites, so, ymmv.

Everything RoseKitten said is correct, Lilith was never a Goddess at all, she was only a demon, part of the Lilitu demons, a bit like Succubus's, I would say Lilith, an individual member of that demon group, did grow in power, and become a Goddess, but, she never started out as one, that doesn't take away anything from Lilith, I find her Mythos very cool, and kind of interesting.

Here's a good article, which I've posted loads of times before, on Lilith, I'm not sure if I agree with everything, but, it is very good, IMO:

'Lilith: From Demoness to Dark Goddess' by Aaron Leitch (http://kheph777.tripod.com/lilith.html)