Horary Anyone? (My First Try! LOL)

[Kadynas]

I was wondering if anyone else here knows anything about horary astrology... I've just started trying to teach myself (the book I have is Horary Astrology Plain & Simple - but it's not! - by Anthony Lewis) since my tarot readings weren't seeming to make much sense to me and I'm much more in tune with astrology's symbolism. :) If anyone could recommend some good /in-print/ books, I'd be most grateful.

Otherwise, my first horary chart could use a little help... I've been able to figure out the significators for the querent and the question... I'm supposed to take the planetary ruler of the rising sign for the querent, which is either Uranus or Saturn for Aquarius (horary seems to rely more on ancient rulers...)... Then I've got Neptune right on the Ascendant, which says the querent may be feeling confused and close to tears... definitely fits so I deemed the chart "radical" enough to be read. :lol: But I also have the current Mars/Uranus conjunction in the first in Pisces... both meanings for having those in the first house seem to fit as well, but I'm wondering - with 3 planets in the first - if one of those should over power Uranus/Saturn as the querent's significator??

I'm also thinking that the entire question might not be suited towards horary charts at all... the question was which choice should this person make, between a lover and a committed partner... The significator for the committed partner would be the Sun (Leo on DSC) and the lover would be Mercury (Gemini on 5th cusp). So far so good right? Til you see that they're both right next to each other in the 3rd house of the chart! So obviously I'm having a hard time giving her an answer here! :lol: She knows I'm just learning this though, so she understands.

Here's the chart if anyone has any advice to give...

[KEishin]

Let me finish my tea first. Horary before caffiene should be considered a crime.:lol:
I'll be be back shortly.

[KEishin]

K -

Definitely use Saturn as the ruler for Aquarius. Traditional rulerships are best for horary. It's because (or so I was told by my teacher) the personal planets have more of an influence on people than the outer planets.
What is the ruler of the sign for the house signifigator? Where is it placed?
Take a look at the Moon. The Moon functions as a general signifigator for the whole situation. It may be helping to represent the querent or describing surrounding circumstances, or it could be describing the movement of events or deeply related issues that may not be immediately apparent from the question. It always demands some attention.
Look at any planets in the first house, as those have a huge bearing on the situation at hand. (So Neptune, Uranus and Mars) But the signifigator still carries the most weight.
Do the same for any planets in the house which rules the question (i.e. relationship issues are covered by the 7th, while higher education is the 9th)
Also look at any planets conjunct the ruler of either signifigator
Are there any dignities, detriments, etc; either accidental or actual for the main signifigator planets?
Concentrate only on the major aspects - conjunct, sextile, square, trine and oppositon. Having 12th harmonic sesquiquadrates will drive you insane . . . :shaker:
Which houses rule each choice? I'm guessing the 7th covers the committed partner, and possibly the 11th for the lover. Based on that, the other signifigators would be the Sun for the 7th and Saturn for the 11th. Also the planets in the first, 7th and 11th houses nees to be examined. That's Neptune, Uranus, Mars, Moon.

Don't worry about the asteroids - take 'em out altogther. We're thinking traditional here. Just concentrate on the planets (not even Chiron!) I'd almost consider doing the chart twice - once for each question . . . but that's just me!

So looking at that, Saturn, the Moon and the Sun are the most important planets in this chart. Sun sextile Saturn: This aspect is responsible for disciplined behavior and transparent thoughts. In order to put your ambitious plans into action, you are going to have to make demands. It is important to approach all aspects of life honestly, your partner should be able to rely on you. Loyalty is more than just an empty word to you, even if it seems unattainable at times. Look for a partner who does not reject your values and is willing to construct a livable future with you.

Adding the lunar square, this aspect causes you to sense a contradiction between your will, your subconscious, your socialization and behavior which can make you feel deeply dissatisfied. Maybe your creative talents lie hidden in darkness. If you cannot find emotional harmony, you will never find a permanent solution to your problems. It is possible that your family is keeping you from expressing your individual qualities. Look for a means to let off steam or you will hardly experience satisfaction with your life. You fight frequently and your defensiveness does not make your situation any easier. If you should feel a desire to change, you will have to give up your defensive position and take the needs of others more frequently into consideration. This requires a certain amount of effort, only it is not clear how the end result should look. Be aware that the fulfillment of your personal desires depends on your reaction to the circumstances.

So the questioner and the question have harmonious contacts, but the Moon, whcih mostly acts as a timer, is throwing in a monkey wrench. It also acts as a co-ruler to everything. At least it's in an active sign as opposed to something like Cappy. I'm also worried by the T-Square between the Moon, Sun and Neptune in the first (first house planets temper the expression of the questioner). Being a fixed T, I know from experience those are the hardest to handle. The Moon also went v/c later that day as it moved into Virgo, so methinks things came to a grinding halt as those involved suddenly discovered details that had been overlooked. Plus the last aspect it made was that square to the Sun at 8:56 GMT(bleech).

Does that help?

[Kadynas]

Nice! Thanks! :hugz: I was wondering though, why you'd assign the 11th to the lover as opposed to the 5th... and if that's so, wouldn't Jupiter be his significator, as Saggy's on the cusp? :lol: All this is so confusing to me, but fascinating enough that I still want to learn it.

As for the T-Square, since the Sun is the significator of the other partner and the Moon is the co-ruler of the querent, wouldn't that suggest more problems in that relationship, as opposed to the other one? But then again since anything in the 1st tends to represent what's going on in the querent's head, maybe that just adds to her confusion of the whole situation. :lol: I could go around in circles like this forever!

Then I saw that Mercury was "accidentally" dignified by being in the 3rd house too... :lol:

[KEishin]

I was guessing at the 11th, considering the lover to be more in the realm of friend, but I did deliberate between the 5th and 11th for a while. (I'm no pro at horary either . . . I'm teaching it to myself right now.) Yeah, I was using Placidus in my software instead of Koch, which you used in your chart, so that explains me calling the 11th house in Cappy instead of Sag. (bad astrologer, no cookie) :razz:

So let's use the 5th house, since we both thought of that one - ruled by Mercury in Taurus in the 3rd. As you pointed out, Merc is accidentally digified in the 3rd. Now that gives us a Merc focused on learning, communications, siblings, etc, that tends to be slow and steady with perhaps some stubborness. So far a no duh. :)

Merc sextiles Mars/Uranus. What does that say to you? There are no planets in the 5th, so this simplifies interpretation some.

Now we look at Saturn ruling the AC and squaring the Sun (ignoring for a moment the other person's chart with the Sun signifigator). Neptune in the first is also conjunct the AC and loosely in a separating square from the Sun; both are also opposite the Moon. Saturn often represents another person in a reading (surprise, surprise). It's in the 6th in Cancer. The 6th rules work and health, Saturn in Cancer is in fall - not good at all! Cancer is ruled, by, hmm, the Moon in Leo, which is then disposited of by the Sun in Taurus. It's all one big circle.

The Moon opposition indicates awareness of matters ruled by Neptune, along with first house matters (being the location of Neptune) and all second house matters (because Neptune rules Pisces). Looking at the last aspect the Moon makes before it goes into Virgo, it's that square to the Sun. When the moon's last aspect is a square the matter can still be completed, but the costs will be more than it is worth. Squares = hard work.

So I would propose the following: Saturn is badly placed and squares the Sun. This speaks of bitter experiences in learning a lesson in going this path. The strong Neptune says that perhaps the questioner is looking at things through the "rose-colored glasses" and isn't looking at things as they really are. Even though those two aren't in aspect , Saturn and Neptune don't play well together - Neptune being dreams and Saturn being reality. The Moon, which acts as a secondary querent is also squaring the Sun is emotional disharmony and conflicts between what his/her subconscious and conscious minds want. This leads to general confusion and disharmony (the T-square).

The question is curiously unaspected by any other planets involving the questioner, forming only a loose sextile to Mars. Mars in Pisces is wishy-washy and is constantly changing direction, contray to the more steady Merc in Taurus. With it ruling the fifth, risk and speculation are the order of things. The person it represent is likely full of idle words and bragging, sharp and witty, but likes to travel and learn things. It speaks of precarious financials too if the questioner goes with this person.

(Details paraphrased from Lily's Christian Astrology)

Overall, not tremendously positive.

Looking back at the other chart, we still have the Sun/Saturn and Sun/Moon issues, but this time the Sun is the signifigator. That T-square is still there too. :scream: Sun is also in 3rd in Taurus, like our previous Mercury signifigator. The 3rd is ruled by Venus in Gemini, which is in mutual reception, with (guess what) Mercury. (Headache yet? :D )

There aren't any tremendous differences between this chart and the other one, unfortunately. Except that focus is more on the inner self of the person being questioned and less on the mental and talking self of the other person in question. That T-square worries me immensely - adding in that it is prominent in both charts, its not an issue that can be avoided. The questioner is going to have to face reality and make a choice soon. And that choice may not be what he or she thinks it is (Neptune). He or she is having trouble because they aren't sure who their true self is (Sun square Neptune), so how can they choose one over the other? In addition, the conscious self and unconscious aren't talking to each other clearly (Sun square Moon).

Why couldn't you have picked an easier chart to start off with?!? :scream: j/k

[Kadynas]

Why couldn't you have picked an easier chart to start off with?!? j/k
:rollingla Yeah next time I'll try to find someone who's lost their car keys!!

[Valkie]

thanks a lot guys... now you've got me tremendously interested in this!! uhh, off to google for research. :razz:

[KEishin]

Hehe, another convert to my army of demonic astrologers . . . err . . . I mean . . . oops :crazyman: