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Protagonist
May 29th, 2005, 12:28 AM
A choice all young padawans face. Which will you choose? If you will choose none of the options, please describe your alternative.

Luminessence
May 29th, 2005, 12:29 AM
Jedi, of course! :woot:

Mindflayer
May 29th, 2005, 12:31 AM
Neither. I would be a Dark Jedi, that is a Jedi who uses the dark side of the force, but, I would not be evil.

Luminessence
May 29th, 2005, 12:38 AM
Neither. I would be a Dark Jedi, that is a Jedi who uses the dark side of the force, but, I would not be evil.

Is that possible?

Protagonist
May 29th, 2005, 12:42 AM
Is that possible?
I don't know. On one hand, the dark side is supposed to be inherently corrupting, and thus, I'd guess it couldn't be used productively in the long run. However, maybe someone could overcome that...

Illuminatus
May 29th, 2005, 12:42 AM
Um, hello? What is more awesome than a Jedi? Those questions are of course rhetorical, because nothing is more awesome than Jedi. They are bad ass, even if they all got their asses kicked by sith lords, there's no better way to go out. No sith lord will ever be even 10% as cool as Obi Wan or Yoda, so I don't want to hear any more of this sith!

Illuminatus
May 29th, 2005, 12:44 AM
I don't know. On one hand, the dark side is supposed to be inherently corrupting, and thus, I'd guess it couldn't be used productively in the long run. However, maybe someone could overcome that...

Power corrupts. It would just be a matter of time.

Crystal Craft
May 29th, 2005, 01:01 AM
Jedi all the way

forbidden_vengence
May 29th, 2005, 01:04 AM
Ummm.......neither.

wolf
May 29th, 2005, 01:09 AM
Jedi.

And the first trap of the Dark Side is to think that you can control it, and use it's mega wonderful powers for good and all that ...

Sothis*Crowfeather
May 29th, 2005, 01:15 AM
I've never really liked the Jedi very much, I liked the Siths, they have alot more power. So I'd probley start out Jedi then turn.

wolf
May 29th, 2005, 01:35 AM
The Sith only seem to have more power ... or perhaps have more power individually, but not collectively.

The Dark and Light sides are supposed to be in balance, right? So if there are a smaller number of Sith Lords than there are Jedi Knights, it stands to reason that they will have greater power.

Uh oh.

You guys know I'm a geek now since this is something I reasoned out some time ago and didn't just come up with on the fly for this post ...

Toki Wartooth
May 29th, 2005, 01:41 AM
Sith.

They're just misunderstood, damnit.

BlueMoon13
May 29th, 2005, 01:47 AM
Sith.

They're just misunderstood, damnit.
Sith :hailmol:

Mindflayer
May 29th, 2005, 01:47 AM
Power corrupts. It would just be a matter of time.

With great power, comes great responsibility.

It's not that the dark side corrupts, it's that it tends to be more 'selfish', instead of focused on helping others. People become obssesed with this, but for me, honestly, it wouldn't be a problem. I already don't give a rat's ass about power, or fame, or any of that. Also, I could never(and I mean NEVER) bring myself to unwarrantly kill someone... soo, no turning evil for ne ;)

Xander67
May 29th, 2005, 02:18 AM
Jedi, :fpraiseyo :farmerjoe

BeachWitch
May 29th, 2005, 02:30 AM
hmmm, either most of you didn't see the movie, or you failed to hear the part about the Jedi Council and their "narrow dogmatic view of the force".

... narrow and dogmatic view..... hmmm.. where have I heard that before? Now I know that sounds familiar..... where was I when I made the connection between the Jedi's and that other group.....? hmmmmm

Narrow and dogmatic view......

Then again, maybe the problem is that most you geeks don't understand the definition of the word dogmatic.

stephy-sama
May 29th, 2005, 02:41 AM
I'd move things around the house man. Maybe I'm just lazy that way... I'd be good LIKE a Jedi, but I wouldn't get involved in wars and stuff.

stephy-sama
May 29th, 2005, 02:45 AM
Then again, maybe the problem is that most you geeks don't understand the definition of the word dogmatic.

I'm offended.

Main Entry: dog·mat·ic
Pronunciation: dog-'ma-tik, däg-
Variant(s): also dog·mat·i·cal /-ti-k&l/
Function: adjective
1 : characterized by or given to the use of dogmatism <a dogmatic critic>
2 : of or relating to dogma

Main Entry: dog·ma
Pronunciation: 'dog-m&, 'däg-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural dogmas also dog·ma·ta /-m&-t&/
Etymology: Latin dogmat-, dogma, from Greek, from dokein to seem -- more at DECENT
1 a : something held as an established opinion; especially : a definite authoritative tenet b : a code of such tenets <pedagogical dogma> c : a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds
2 : a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church

My opinion: who cares. It's a movie. Fun!

CosmicWhispers
May 29th, 2005, 07:23 AM
Sith. :evilway:

Xentor
May 29th, 2005, 07:26 AM
hmmm, either most of you didn't see the movie, or you failed to hear the part about the Jedi Council and their "narrow dogmatic view of the force".

... narrow and dogmatic view..... hmmm.. where have I heard that before? Now I know that sounds familiar..... where was I when I made the connection between the Jedi's and that other group.....? hmmmmm

Narrow and dogmatic view......

Then again, maybe the problem is that most you geeks don't understand the definition of the word dogmatic.
I did see that part. I think it was the Sith lord Sidious who described the Jedi's view of the force as dogmatic. By only being altruistic, and by only using it through logic and reason, great parts of that force would never be used. As he put it, the dark side of the force, which comes from using the force through emotions like love, anger and fear, is able to bring someone back from death. A Jedi neither could nor would ever do that.

Problem with the accusation of being dogmatic is, of course, the source of the accusation...

Xentor
May 29th, 2005, 07:27 AM
My opinion: who cares. It's a movie. Fun!

Is it? Isn't magic a bit like this "force"?

Katya
May 29th, 2005, 08:18 AM
just cooling my tea and helping old ppl for me.. none of that good/evil stuff.

johenn123
May 29th, 2005, 09:10 AM
start out with the sith to get the cool lightning thing, then move over to be a jedi
I wanna lightsaber anyway!

Karma Chameleon
May 29th, 2005, 09:25 AM
I've always liked villians better and I like the dark side of the force. So you can guess how I voted. :nonono:

Pure Ahimsa
May 29th, 2005, 09:25 AM
I'd use the force for good but not be a Jedi. If you're a Jedi, theirs all these rules like "You can't have relationships". Rar. I call it... Sethi! _twohorns_


Sethi Power :fpeace:

FroggieThePunk
May 29th, 2005, 09:27 AM
More than likely I would start as a Jedi, but would eventualy fall to the Dark Side trying to help others. What can I say, the Dark Side gives you more power when you need it than the Light Side does.

Khuinaset
May 29th, 2005, 10:49 AM
Um, hello? What is more awesome than a Jedi? Those questions are of course rhetorical, because nothing is more awesome than Jedi. They are bad ass, even if they all got their asses kicked by sith lords, there's no better way to go out. No sith lord will ever be even 10% as cool as Obi Wan or Yoda, so I don't want to hear any more of this sith!

yes! I love Yoda!

though I'm not sure if I'd be able to handle the 'no relationships' thing...probably not...but I'd rather be Jedi than Sith :p

maldito
May 29th, 2005, 11:02 AM
Sith, only because love is something too beautiful to reject it.

Valnorran
May 29th, 2005, 11:17 AM
Sith. It's not that the Sith seem more powerful, they are more powerful. Let's review.
Star Wars: Vader takes out Obi Wan. Yeah, Obi Wan is still around, but all he can do is advise. He can't actively participate.

Empire Strikes Back: Vader kicks Luke's ass all over Bespin. Luke scores something like two hits on Vader the entire time, and all they do is piss Vader off.

Return of the Jedi: Luke defeats Vader, but only when he taps into his anger (i.e. the Dark Side). Once he realizes this, he stops - and is promptly fried by the emperor. He would have been toast (literally) if Vader hadn't helped.

Phantom Menace: Darth Maul takes on two Jedi at once and kills the master. The apprentice only kills Maul by tapping into his anger (again, treading close to the Dark Side).

Attack of the Clones: Dooku takes on two jedi simultaneously and defeats them. The Chosen One gets his arm sliced off. He fights Yoda to a standstill, but since Dooku is the first one to retreat, I suppose we can say Yoda won.

Revenge of the Sith: This is the only one where the Jedi shine, and even then it's only Mace Windu and Obi Won. Mace successfully defeated the emporer and would have won had it not been for Anakin's betrayal. Obi Won takes down Grievous and, with a single swordstroke, royally mucks up anakin. Palpatin fights Yoda to a stalemate, but Yoda is the one to retreat, so I would say Palpatine won. And, of course, one Sith and a handful of clones are enough to wipe out the Jedi order. One Sith Lord and one apprentice are enough to take out the whole Jedi order.

So it looks to me like the Sith kick Jedi ass whenever they feel like it, while the Jedi are lucky to come away from an enounter with the Sith alive and with most of their limbs still attached. Once I took an internet personality test that matched you up with a star wars character. I matched up with Palpatine. *shrugs*

I personally think the Dark Side will dominate you only if you let it. It's like any other power - it has vast potential to corrupt, but that depends on the character of the user

BeachWitch
May 29th, 2005, 11:20 AM
Well then, at least the MWers are consistent if nothing else. Fluffy Wicca and Fluffy Jedis go hand in hand.

Make sure you never ever ever explore the Dark Gods and Goddesses and of course never ever ever explore the Dark Force. Dogmatic indeed.

Then again, maybe I take my dealings with the Force far more seriously than a silly movie. Oh right, the Force is make believe, sorry I forgot.

Xentor: by your logic Christianity would not be dogmatic because I, a pagan, say it is? the source of the accusation must be taken into account, no?

Ok, yea, I do take the Force a little too seriously... shrug ..... the pitfalls of being a witch..... sigh

Lost_Sole
May 29th, 2005, 11:30 AM
Well I can't be a jedi I have to much hate in me. and I can't be a sith because I want to help people tomuch. so I will stay home and cool my coke and move the heavy boxes.

Khuinaset
May 29th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Well then, at least the MWers are consistent if nothing else. Fluffy Wicca and Fluffy Jedis go hand in hand.

Make sure you never ever ever explore the Dark Gods and Goddesses and of course never ever ever explore the Dark Force. Dogmatic indeed.

Then again, maybe I take my dealings with the Force far more seriously than a silly movie. Oh right, the Force is make believe, sorry I forgot.

Xentor: by your logic Christianity would not be dogmatic because I, a People, say it is? the source of the accusation must be taken into account, no?

Ok, yea, I do take the Force a little too seriously... shrug ..... the pitfalls of being a witch..... sigh

Umm...wow...talk about overreacting.

There's a difference between "dark" and "evil". One example of dark is dealing with death, which is natural and nessecary. Evil is killing innocent people for no reason. I took the dark side of the Force to be evil, and seeing as how the movie went on about preventing death and the Sith killed innocent people, that's what I'd tend to stay with still.

Tobias
May 29th, 2005, 12:15 PM
I went and saw the movie this past week, and couldn't believe how much I was siding with the Sith. During the first half of it, anyway. When it came to faces becoming really ugly and having to kill a bunch of completely innocent paduan children just to serve the selfish ambitions of the Sith; then I lost interest.

I see the debate between Sith or Jedi as a very valid one spiritually. But we must also consider Lucas' personal interpretation of light and dark, good and evil. Obviously, if following anything but the Jedi version of using the Force causes you to loose perspective and become some kind of monster (both physically and moraly), then they are right to fear the Dark Side and avoid it at all costs.

But real life is nothing like that. People who use magick for their own personal benefit are not immediately taken over and possessed by demons. Nor are those who incorperate emotions into their workings. Some religious morals would have us all believe that terrible things happen to those who don't follow their guidelines; but these guidelines were not established based upon the reality of what happens, but upon ancient spiritual leaders' fears of what would happen if they let a bunch of people run around doing whatever they liked.

Lucas incorperated the myth of these fears and moral guidelines into his movies, by causing the Sith to become ugly and villanous. It's similar to all the Mavel Comics' Superheros and Villians. We have come to expect a certain standard of good vs. evil in our entertainment industry.

The truth is though that Good and Evil, Light and Dark, are not that easily defined. And if you further divide things into saying that altruism (helping others) is Good, and doing things for yourself (selfishness) is always Bad; then you have really messed things up.

Xentor
May 29th, 2005, 12:47 PM
Xentor: by your logic Christianity would not be dogmatic because I, a People, say it is? the source of the accusation must be taken into account, no?

The speaker must always be taken into account when interpreting their arguments. Otherwise one falls into the trap of semantics.

You see, I fully agree with your statement that the Jedi have a dogmatic view of the force. I took Lord Sidious' explanation and agree with it, too.

However, the Sith' use of the force is equally dogmatic. No enlightenment here. It's a pot blaming the kettle he's black.

Dove
May 29th, 2005, 01:15 PM
:noway: *Surveys the direction the thread has taken and quietly backs out ...
away to seek a safer place to post* :eyebrow:

wakywitch
May 29th, 2005, 01:23 PM
I'd much rather be myself.

wakywitch
May 29th, 2005, 01:25 PM
Come on people, what was once a gentle fun poll, which has now turned into a fight for myside vs. your side.
Sheesh!
:bumpsmili

Evendusk
May 29th, 2005, 01:29 PM
.

Then again, maybe I take my dealings with the Force far more seriously than a silly movie. Oh right, the Force is make believe, sorry I forgot.




Since Lucas basically took the Chinese concept of qui (or chi, however you spell it) and renamed it the Force I'd say it exists. And I think that it's helped open the minds of an entire generation to philosophies other than the traditional.

As for me, I'd stay at home and cash in using the Force to manipulate the Powerball lottery machine!

BeachWitch
May 29th, 2005, 02:02 PM
hmm, I better state that I saw the movie last night and was pleasantly surprised. I was one of those kids waiting in line in 1977 with my computer geek father for Star Wars. It was amazing to see DV at his "birth".

As for my take on Jedi vs Sith, I think its a bit like saying Islamic or Christian. Both are absolute with no grey in between.

Humanity is Grey, that will never change.

Protagonist
May 29th, 2005, 02:35 PM
Since Lucas basically took the Chinese concept of qui (or chi, however you spell it) and renamed it the Force I'd say it exists. And I think that it's helped open the minds of an entire generation to philosophies other than the traditional.

As for me, I'd stay at home and cash in using the Force to manipulate the Powerball lottery machine!
I'm actually prettty close to being sure that the Jedi were modelled after the Shaolin. Obviously Shaolin monks can't move things with their mind or shoot lightning bolts from their palms, but they do believe in a "Force," namely Chi or Qui, which is the basis for much of their studies.

There are even weird bits of history that Lucas picked up on. For instance, at one point, the Shaolin Temple was razed to the ground during a military coup, and the remaining Shaolin monks had to go into exile. There's really no Shaolin equivalent to the Sith, of course.

Xentor
May 29th, 2005, 02:40 PM
How about Samurai?

Protagonist
May 29th, 2005, 04:47 PM
How about Samurai?
I was thinking Shaolin because of the whole Chi-Force thing, but I'm not sure if the Samurai involved that, as well. If I recall, they weren't quite as Buddhist as the Shaolin, who essentiall started as fallen Buddhist monks. Again, I'm not really as up on my Asian history as I could be.

MoonDust
May 29th, 2005, 05:18 PM
I'm all for the cold iced tea and moving boxes:thumbsup:

BeachWitch
May 29th, 2005, 05:42 PM
I think you guys are letting the Light Sabers influence your judgement. The Samurai were extremely tribal, whereas the Jedi are almost Star Trekish in their universal acceptance. So no, I would have to disagree with Samurai.

Monks? Sure, I can see that. And maybe Samurai in the early Dynaties, but certainly not Late Dynasty. Anyway, interesting stuff!

Khuinaset
May 29th, 2005, 06:34 PM
I was thinking Shaolin because of the whole Chi-Force thing, but I'm not sure if the Samurai involved that, as well. If I recall, they weren't quite as Buddhist as the Shaolin, who essentiall started as fallen Buddhist monks. Again, I'm not really as up on my Asian history as I could be.

I might be wrong, but I think Xentor was suggesting the Samurai as equivilants to the Sith.

stephy-sama
May 29th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Is it? Isn't magic a bit like this "force"?

Well, to me it is. I don't work magic though. I believe in it, but much more subtly than something like the force, so to me it's a world of difference. I see the comparrison here and I see the comparison having to do with politics, and I'm just bothered... I just want to enjoy the movie without having to argue about it's "hidden context". Some movies DO have hidden context, but I don't think this is one of them...

stephy-sama
May 29th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Well then, at least the MWers are consistent if nothing else. Fluffy Wicca and Fluffy Jedis go hand in hand.


I'm not a fluffy wiccan... I'm not even wiccan... :D

Seanan
May 29th, 2005, 07:40 PM
I would use the force for my own purposes, neither Jedi nor Sith.

QUEEN OF THE DAMNED
May 29th, 2005, 07:43 PM
I would start out with the Sith and then screw them over for the Jedi. Good triumphing over evil ;)

QUEEN OF THE DAMNED
May 29th, 2005, 07:44 PM
I'm actually prettty close to being sure that the Jedi were modelled after the Shaolin. Obviously Shaolin monks can't move things with their mind or shoot lightning bolts from their palms, but they do believe in a "Force," namely Chi or Qui, which is the basis for much of their studies.

There are even weird bits of history that Lucas picked up on. For instance, at one point, the Shaolin Temple was razed to the ground during a military coup, and the remaining Shaolin monks had to go into exile. There's really no Shaolin equivalent to the Sith, of course.

Good point!

Soul Device
May 29th, 2005, 08:08 PM
I'd probably start out trying to do the right thing by being a Jedi and then turn against them because they pissed me off in some way. :uhhuhuh:

bluecat
May 29th, 2005, 08:10 PM
As much as I am dark I would probably be a Jedi. I tend to use my evil for good. I just love slamming it to people who do bad things.

Blue :cool:

Bethra
May 29th, 2005, 10:24 PM
The Force is stronge in this one.
Much coruption do I sense.

Yeh I'd be a Sith :evilway: :bad: :flamer: :grrrrr: _firedevil :meanface: :devil: :deviltail :G :smoke:

Morr
May 29th, 2005, 11:43 PM
Definitly a Sith.
The Jedi thing is SO overrated!


LMAO
Actually I'm not even a Star Wars fan.. I just want a cool weapons and stuff.

Catiana
May 29th, 2005, 11:48 PM
Darth Catiana here. Definitely Sith

AlAskendir
May 30th, 2005, 12:30 AM
Neither. I would be a Dark Jedi, that is a Jedi who uses the dark side of the force, but, I would not be evil.

There y'go, exactly!

Have the power, be thoroughly into my passions and emotions, connect with whomever I feel the need, form a spirit-family, love them, help them, protect them, receive their help, be loved....
repay lies, manipulation, and betrayal with blasts of force-lightning!!

AlAskendir
May 30th, 2005, 12:36 AM
Is that possible?

Certainly!

I have always called it 'Positive Darkness' - - - it's the kind of aggression with which mother-animals protect their young.

See...there are those in poltical power who want everyone to believe that forcefulness, aggression, and 'Darkness' is always 'evil', because then the people will never be able to rebel or resist. So such beings always support religions that require their members to be 'bright', cheery, and submissive - - - but you can tell that they are twisted when they use fear to motivate their members to love, because fear and love are opposites.

I tend to call the feeling in places where they attempt to motivate people to love out of fear 'Negative Brightness', and it took me a long time o searching to find its opposite.

AlAskendir
May 30th, 2005, 12:43 AM
Is it? Isn't magic a bit like this "force"?

Ummmm, except that magick seems fueled by passions without any particular flavoring of how the magick is then used or what it is used on - - - and somehow the Jedi are able to use the Force without much connection to their emotions......to me, that make them entirely different kettles of fish.

But there are philosophical similarities that I enjoy like:

'Your focus determines your reality'.

AlAskendir
May 30th, 2005, 01:00 AM
So, I guess the question is, what is corruption?

I mean, given that most of us here are not christians, don't believe in sin, hell, or temptation - - - what is corruption to us?

Isn't 'power corrupts' an interpretation of how most people don't deal responsibly with their own uses of power?

stephy-sama
May 30th, 2005, 01:18 AM
So, I guess the question is, what is corruption?

I mean, given that most of us here are not christians, don't believe in sin, hell, or temptation - - - what is corruption to us?

Isn't 'power corrupts' an interpretation of how most people don't deal responsibly with their own uses of power?


I think a "corruption" is exploiting others for personal gain. I have no idea if my idea is considered the norm.

Wow, this topic got serious....

wolf
May 30th, 2005, 01:20 AM
The Shaolin v. Samurai analogy doesn't work.

Different Countries.

Actually different countries that really hate each other.

And all you "I'd use the Dark Side powers for good" folks really, really worry me.

Amryn
May 30th, 2005, 11:27 AM
A Jedi, but I doubt they'd train me so then I'd have to go to the Sith. :hehehehe:

Karma Chameleon
May 30th, 2005, 11:35 AM
And all you "I'd use the Dark Side powers for good" folks really, really worry me.

Ah but I wouldn't use my powers all for good though. I wouldn't be able to resist (and I don't think anyone could if they had that power) to use the force to put a chokehold on people who annoy me or piss me off. And I certainly wouldn't mind using a lightsaber on some people. I don't think I could be all good or all bad, but I certianly would lean more towards the darkside of the force.

bluecat
May 30th, 2005, 01:11 PM
Okay, I have a confession in the form of a pic.

ApollaJade
May 30th, 2005, 01:32 PM
hmmmm.....

Dark side has better m&m's, but light side has yoda.....which one.....

Cooling tea and old people for me :D

bluecat
May 30th, 2005, 01:36 PM
I carry gallons of home made lemonade in the trunk. :drinking:

Karma Chameleon
May 30th, 2005, 01:59 PM
I carry gallons of home made lemonade in the trunk. :drinking:

Ah and here I was thinking that you had dead bodies in your trunk. :hmmmmm:

mol
May 30th, 2005, 02:00 PM
Dude. :)

SilentDreams
May 30th, 2005, 02:52 PM
Maybe its not cause I'm a star wars geek. Yeah I'm a geek but not for star wars so this whole jedi/sith thing just zooms over my interests. But I jedi cause young obi wan is hotness. :toofless:

Protagonist
May 30th, 2005, 03:19 PM
The Shaolin v. Samurai analogy doesn't work.

Different Countries.

Actually different countries that really hate each other.
LOL, we were actually trying to compare the Shaolin to the Jedi and the Samurai to the Jedi, and wondering if maybe Lucas based the Jedi off one of those groups - but it's seeming increasingly likely that he drew from many, many sources.

*blinks* The Shaolin still kick ass, though.

Jenne
May 31st, 2005, 02:53 AM
Oh I'm all over doing the reverse Anakin! _twohorns_

Xander67
May 31st, 2005, 03:51 AM
I cant post what I want to say here :) lol

Xander67
May 31st, 2005, 03:55 AM
Oh I'm all over doing the reverse Anakin! _twohorns_

sounds like a swan dive to me :nyah:

evilslinkycat
May 31st, 2005, 09:29 AM
Jedi

Do not underestmate the power of the Geekside!

Pure Ahimsa
May 31st, 2005, 11:15 AM
Well then, at least the MWers are consistent if nothing else. Fluffy Wicca and Fluffy Jedis go hand in hand.

Make sure you never ever ever explore the Dark Gods and Goddesses and of course never ever ever explore the Dark Force. Dogmatic indeed.

Then again, maybe I take my dealings with the Force far more seriously than a silly movie. Oh right, the Force is make believe, sorry I forgot.

Xentor: by your logic Christianity would not be dogmatic because I, a pagan, say it is? the source of the accusation must be taken into account, no?

Ok, yea, I do take the Force a little too seriously... shrug ..... the pitfalls of being a witch..... sigh


We're talking about Star Wars. Yes, many of us believe in a "Force", but...we are talking about the boundaries of a story. :sadman:

Avalonia
May 31st, 2005, 12:12 PM
I voted for Jedi switching to Sith. Because I know I can be easily corrupted.

Druchii
May 31st, 2005, 01:18 PM
Sith. Period.

Not because I would want to be, but because I know the inner fears and self loathing of my own heart would bring me to it.

I love the rush of adrenaline in my job, I have confused possessiveness with love, and I have fueled my art before with both anger and inner turmoil, and created some of my most powerful peices.

Sith.

LittlePerson
May 31st, 2005, 02:55 PM
I said use my powers at home, but if my true everyday emotions changed me while I was learning, all my avarice would probably lead me to the dark side since it is run by emotions.

Rev R
May 31st, 2005, 03:16 PM
The Sith equivalent to a Shaolin monk would be a fallen monk. A person who uses the abilities they gained through the training for personal gains.

The Shaolin are not fallen Buddhists. Ch'an(Zen in Japan) was founded by Bodhidarma at Shaolin. They fused Bodhidarma's teachings with the Taoism they already practiced and combined meditation with a series of "exercisies" that he brought from India and the Shaolin Fist was born.

The samurai(who actually were a major influence on Lucas' Jedi-He was a big Kurosawa fan.) though clan oriented in nature are good examples of Jedi and Sith. They had the code of Bushido, which is very similar to the Jedi code. Their training focused heavily on awareness to the point where the most skilled seemed to posess supernatural powers. Of course as with all people of any society there are the selfless and the selfish.

donatello51
May 31st, 2005, 08:40 PM
The seduction of power is that you can have all you want and not pay a price for it. The fall from grace is that you can wield power and avoid paying the price for getting it. The Jedi way is having power and not needing to use it. The Jedi way is if having to use power you use only enough to get the job done and no more then that. The Jedi way is sharing power with others and knowing they will not need it any more then you will. The way of the SITH is power is its own reward and justification. More power is better and you make everyone else pay the price you yourself will not pay for your having it. The Sith way is use your power always no matter who it hurts. The Sith way is no guilt ever for any reason about anything you will ever do to anyone. Both paths are taken by humans everyday of their lives. Which path you use most often and which path you remain on for most of your life shows which side of the force you have taken as your own. Dark or Light. Choose well the dark or the light side and pay the price in full for your choice.

Memnoch McKiln
June 6th, 2005, 04:45 AM
so basically... your saying the Sith are Thelema, and the Jedi closer to Wicca???

CleftOfLight
June 6th, 2005, 05:19 AM
I would start out Sith then betray them ounce I learned all I could,then I would become a Jedi only to do the same thing,ounce I learned all I could.Then I would combine my knowledge and be one kickbut dude.Maybe become a bounty hunter or live somewhere remote so jedi's and sith's would come to get me and I would just kick but.

I mean how cool is that a Jedi Sith.

instinct
June 6th, 2005, 06:37 AM
The Sith only seem to have more power ... or perhaps have more power individually, but not collectively.

The Dark and Light sides are supposed to be in balance, right? So if there are a smaller number of Sith Lords than there are Jedi Knights, it stands to reason that they will have greater power...
what a revelation. I mean.. really.. I think I actually heard an audible "click". hehe

awesome :floating:

In this case I'll most likely be on whichever side offers the most individual power at the time. heh

Or whichever side anakin is on... :hearteyes

instinct
June 7th, 2005, 02:11 AM
woops. I broke the thread. :foh:

me sowwy.

you may chain me up and thwack me now :hehehe:

Xander67
June 9th, 2005, 12:06 AM
LMAO

nah, the thread aint broke, the sith just are looseing their hold on our warped minds :lol:

Xander67
June 9th, 2005, 12:06 AM
woops. I broke the thread. :foh:

me sowwy.

you may chain me up and thwack me now :hehehe:

:fishsmack:

memnoch
June 9th, 2005, 03:07 AM
I would go Luke Skywalker post Episode 6, when he learns the powers of the dark side and brings balance to the force.

instinct
June 9th, 2005, 08:15 AM
:fishsmack:
Don't make me use my sith style lightning thwack on yo ass! :lol:

Threase
June 9th, 2005, 12:37 PM
Sith, all the way... the Jedi just have too many rules...

Mirrored Wolf
June 9th, 2005, 01:58 PM
i voted for , start as a jedi , and then totaly screw them and join the sith ... because i've always wanted to screw the jedi , and really piss em off :adidas:

Kailen
June 26th, 2005, 12:15 AM
well...given a choice out of sith and jedi..jedi coz I aint evil.

But preferable I'd just be me and kick all their asses. :acheeer:

Kailen
June 26th, 2005, 12:16 AM
Sith, all the way... the Jedi just have too many rules...

But rules are made to be broken...

and besides, I never really saw them as rules anyway...

more like...guidelines..

Charise
June 26th, 2005, 12:22 AM
lmao! Now what movie have I heard that line from :hmmmmm: ;)

I chose to use it for my own personal use... which I actually do in fact do on occaission..

when I want my son to do something ... I do the little subtle wave of the hand in front of his face and say..'you will do the dishes'....

his eyes glaze over and he says... 'I will do the dishes'... and surprise surprise... the dishes get done!

Pure Ahimsa
June 26th, 2005, 12:23 AM
i voted for , start as a jedi , and then totaly screw them and join the sith ... because i've always wanted to screw the jedi , and really piss em off :adidas:


The Lord haseth spoken! We shall totally screw over the Jedi, I mean... they were trying to take over the Republic! :nonono: :foh:

zilith
June 26th, 2005, 12:29 AM
Jedi, Definitely.

They just got more style. ;)

farm girl
June 26th, 2005, 12:32 AM
I chose the last one. _whistle_

BlackMagicalCat
June 26th, 2005, 08:36 PM
Niether,I would be a space pirate and trader,I would ambush and raid ships and steal thier loot.

Kailen
June 26th, 2005, 08:40 PM
LMAO...great idea azz

Jenne
June 26th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Niether,I would be a space pirate and trader,I would ambush and raid ships and steal thier loot.

Last name of Solo, first name Han, I presume? ;)