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Laisrean
May 30th, 2005, 01:56 PM
This is a hypothetical mock 2008 election where I have guessed who the likely candidates would be. I think it will be fun to see how this turns out. :whistle:

Darkdale
May 30th, 2005, 02:02 PM
Of the people listed... Ralph Nader.

Jenne
May 30th, 2005, 03:51 PM
McCain!:yayhawaii

stephy-sama
May 30th, 2005, 04:04 PM
This is a hypothetical mock 2008 election where I have guessed who the likely candidates would be. I think it will be fun to see how this turns out. :whistle:

Since most people on these boards tend to be liberal (myself included) I'm not quite sure how accurate it'll be. Though I will be interested to see who wins between Nadar and Hillary.

My vote is a secret...
:p

Darkdale
May 30th, 2005, 04:06 PM
Since most people on these boards tend to be liberal (myself included) I'm not quite sure how accurate it'll be. Though I will be interested to see who wins between Nadar and Hillary.

My vote is a secret...
:p

20 on that you voted hillary.

stephy-sama
May 30th, 2005, 04:08 PM
20 on that you voted hillary.

Well, it's an open poll. I just figure most people wouldn't take the time to see who voted what.... but yes, I did. I really like Nadar too though. I just like Hillary more.

Karma Chameleon
May 30th, 2005, 04:11 PM
I voted other. I'd just write in someone.

WokeUpDead
May 30th, 2005, 04:25 PM
I thought the Libertarian guy would have had more by now.

stephy-sama
May 30th, 2005, 04:29 PM
I thought the Libertarian guy would have had more by now.

Yeah, I thought so too. Maybe all the libertarians on this board are either at work or out enjoying the day off. I would be at the beach if my boyfriend wasn't stiill lounging about... :(

Anyway, I'm glad to see that McCain is the projected Republican candidate. I could live with 4 years of him. :) There are very few Republicans I can say that about, but he's one of them. He's hillarious, kind, and pretty fair when it comes to politics. It makes me sad that over the next 3 years things will probably change radically...

Darkdale
May 30th, 2005, 04:36 PM
I thought the Libertarian guy would have had more by now.

Badnarik is not that popular with conservative libertarians.

memnoch
May 30th, 2005, 11:35 PM
Badnarik is not that popular with conservative libertarians.

beat me too it, I would never vote Badnarik and I hope he doesn't get the libertarian nod. I don't want to see any of those people in Nov. 08. I think McCain is too liberal to win the Republican primaries. Not many people right now stick out that I would like, Ventura, Rice...we will wait to see as this is way too early.

stephy-sama
May 31st, 2005, 12:20 AM
I think McCain is too liberal to win the Republican primaries. Not many people right now stick out that I would like, Ventura, Rice...we will wait to see as this is way too early.

Having a moderate Republican run would be good for the party. Some liberals who aren't happy with Hillary and think she's too radical would vote for him instead. If they get a radical then they'd be forced to vote for Hillary or a third party (or just not vote at all, but I'm not counting non voters). Most would opt for Hillary to "beat the conservative radical". :( I don't know. I think McCain and Hillary would be very interesting and very exciting.

QUEEN OF THE DAMNED
May 31st, 2005, 12:32 AM
I'm sad to say I dont know enough about the libertarian guy to vote for him. I'd go green.
I dont get to vote over there anyway, I'll just be voting against John Howard in Oz.

Darkdale
May 31st, 2005, 08:52 AM
Having a moderate Republican run would be good for the party. Some liberals who aren't happy with Hillary and think she's too radical would vote for him instead. If they get a radical then they'd be forced to vote for Hillary or a third party (or just not vote at all, but I'm not counting non voters). Most would opt for Hillary to "beat the conservative radical". :( I don't know. I think McCain and Hillary would be very interesting and very exciting.

I think the Republican Party has a better chance with a religious conservative that can appeal to the Evengelical Christian base. The republicans are no longer political or fiscal conservatives, so they can't run on "conservative ideals". They only way they can win is if they appeal to people's religious sentiments.

Ben Trismegistus
May 31st, 2005, 09:45 AM
I think the Republican Party has a better chance with a religious conservative that can appeal to the Evengelical Christian base. The republicans are no longer political or fiscal conservatives, so they can't run on "conservative ideals". They only way they can win is if they appeal to people's religious sentiments.

Bingo. John McCain has about as much chance of winning the GOP nomination as Hillary Clinton has of winning the Democratic nomination.

I can't even vote in the poll because the field of candidates is not so much "hypothetical" as "fantasy". Sorry Laisrean.

stephy-sama
May 31st, 2005, 03:04 PM
I think the Republican Party has a better chance with a religious conservative that can appeal to the Evengelical Christian base. The republicans are no longer political or fiscal conservatives, so they can't run on "conservative ideals". They only way they can win is if they appeal to people's religious sentiments.

That's unfortunate. :(

I sort of wish these "fantasies" had a bit more of a chance. That'd be such an exciting race.

memnoch
May 31st, 2005, 03:16 PM
Bingo. John McCain has about as much chance of winning the GOP nomination as Hillary Clinton has of winning the Democratic nomination.

I can't even vote in the poll because the field of candidates is not so much "hypothetical" as "fantasy". Sorry Laisrean.

I completely agree...I could see either as a running mate for the president, but not for president. With that being said, who do you think will run. I personally think if the republicans don't go with a Bush cabinet member or Jeb that they will go with a fairly unknown name...the democrats may go with Edwards but will avoid Clinton, Kerry, Gore, and Dean. Gore and Dean have made asses of themselves and lost credibility in their party, clinton has too many haters, and Kerry would be a bad choice to run a second time. I think they will go with more of a moderate. I hope as a republican that Dem's run Clinton or Kennedy because they don't have a chance.

Laisrean
May 31st, 2005, 03:52 PM
If you guys think my candidate choices are a bit unrealistic, then feel free to start your own poll with whichever candidates you think are realistic. :)

I personally don't think McCain or Clinton are too unrealistic for possible candidates. Especially when a Gallup poll showed that a majority of Americans WOULD vote for Clinton. And consider that California voted for Schwarzeneggar who is politically similar to McCain.

I think a McCain/Clinton race would be very interesting and probably very close (but hey, aren't all elections close lately?). :)

stephy-sama
May 31st, 2005, 04:38 PM
If you guys think my candidate choices are a bit unrealistic, then feel free to start your own poll with whichever candidates you think are realistic. :)

I personally don't think McCain or Clinton are too unrealistic for possible candidates. Especially when a Gallup poll showed that a majority of Americans WOULD vote for Clinton. And consider that California voted for Schwarzeneggar who is politically similar to McCain.

I think a McCain/Clinton race would be very interesting and probably very close (but hey, aren't all elections close lately?). :)

I agree. It'd be much more exciting than Kerry/Bush. That just bothered me. Kerry was boring. Bush was just, well, Bush. I'd seen his face for four years already. I've had enough.

Hillary, despite being first lady for 8 years, still seems fresh and exciting. She has personality. McCain is energetic and hillarious. As far as their politics go, McCain is pretty moderate and Hillary is a little left of Moderate.

Someone here refered to Kerry as a radical? I honestly don't think so. He's pretty moderate in my opinion. Moderate and boring. :( Which democrat do you think fits the bill of "moderate" if any?

I think a Dean/McCain race would be exciting as well, but I'm sad to say I think McCain would definately win. They definately both have the "exciting and hillarious" factor going for them, but Dean's rep has been ruined by the infamous "Dean scream." I personally didn't care, but a lot of people did. I thought it just showed spirit. Ha ha ha...

Darkdale
May 31st, 2005, 04:57 PM
Someone here refered to Kerry as a radical? I honestly don't think so. He's pretty moderate in my opinion. Moderate and boring. :( Which democrat do you think fits the bill of "moderate" if any?


I'd put Kerry on the far left. I'd say that Lieberman is moderate.

stephy-sama
May 31st, 2005, 05:00 PM
I'd put Kerry on the far left. I'd say that Lieberman is moderate.

Ok, with that comparrison I can understand. I just figured we were comparring him to, say, Hillary, Kennedy, and Dean. In the light he's pretty moderate. Compared to Leiberman, yeah, I can see how you would say "far left".

Darkdale
May 31st, 2005, 05:01 PM
Ok, with that comparrison I can understand. I just figured we were comparring him to, say, Hillary, Kennedy, and Dean. In the light he's pretty moderate. Compared to Leiberman, yeah, I can see how you would say "far left".

Do you think Kerry is more of a Moderate than Hillary, Kennedy and Dean? I kind of figured he'd be in that same group.

(though, not sure about Hillary these days, she seems rather moderate... she seems like Bill. :) )

Ben Trismegistus
May 31st, 2005, 05:02 PM
I'd put Kerry on the far left. I'd say that Lieberman is moderate.

I'd put Kucinich on the far left, call Kerry a moderate, and Lieberman a Republican. ;)

Dean, by the way, was very moderate about everything but his opinion on the War in Iraq.

evangeline
May 31st, 2005, 05:04 PM
Why is Hilary the only Democratic nomination?

Darkdale
May 31st, 2005, 05:06 PM
Why is Hilary the only Democratic nomination?

He is assuming she'll get the democratic nod.

merlo
May 31st, 2005, 05:29 PM
I have much respect for Hillary. Even though I don't like her all that much, I think she would be an awesome pres. She could have her own hottie boy toy interns....and everyone in the world would like America again. We'd be cool.

stephy-sama
May 31st, 2005, 05:35 PM
Do you think Kerry is more of a Moderate than Hillary, Kennedy and Dean? I kind of figured he'd be in that same group.

(though, not sure about Hillary these days, she seems rather moderate... she seems like Bill. :) )

I'd say so. You do have a point about Hillary though. When I think of her I think of the 90's Hillary and socialized medicine and all that stuff. Lately she's been pretty low key. But yeah, I think compared to Dean and Kennedy he's definately a moderate.

stephy-sama
May 31st, 2005, 05:36 PM
I have much respect for Hillary. Even though I don't like her all that much, I think she would be an awesome pres. She could have her own hottie boy toy interns....and everyone in the world would like America again. We'd be cool.

Yeah. That'd be awesome. :floating:

CosmicWhispers
May 31st, 2005, 05:38 PM
Of the people listed... Ralph Nader.
Ditto

WokeUpDead
May 31st, 2005, 07:02 PM
Pretty much any democrat that has a chance at getting the 2008 nomination will be labeled as a far left radical. The Republican nominee will be associated with war and people dying. It's just the way things are.

MoonKnight
May 31st, 2005, 07:08 PM
I've always liked Nader.

wolf
May 31st, 2005, 09:06 PM
I can't say I'm thrilled with any of the choices. I'm realistic enough to know that 3rd party candidates aren't going to get anywhere, so I gotta go McCain.

I am not a Republican, incidentally.

AmericanMe
May 31st, 2005, 09:13 PM
Dunno about McCain but I'm strongly leaning towards a "no". I'd rather see Rice run. On the Democrat side I think the only one I'd vote for is Zell Miller, I love that guy! Nothing like an old school southern Democrat.

wolf
May 31st, 2005, 09:25 PM
I'd love to see Zell run too, but I don't think he'll do so given his age and health.

McCain wouldn't be my first choice either, but he's the only one of those listed I'd go for.

~ Monk ~
May 31st, 2005, 09:55 PM
Of the choices provided, I'd go with Nader.

Ben Trismegistus
June 1st, 2005, 10:40 AM
But yeah, I think compared to Dean and Kennedy he's definately a moderate.

I'm curious why so many people thought of Dean as far left.

Sleet
June 1st, 2005, 10:41 AM
I'm curious why so many people thought of Dean as far left.

I'm guessing that his staunch opposition to the Iraq War got him broad-brushed in with Kucinich.

Darkdale
June 1st, 2005, 10:43 AM
I'm curious why so many people thought of Dean as far left.

He supports universal healthcare for one. That's as socialist an ideal as any I can think of. He also subscribes to the high taxes / high spending progressive platform, which while you do not accumulate much deficits, you pretty much bankrupt the economy... or at the very least, stifle it's ability to grow.

Ben Trismegistus
June 1st, 2005, 10:53 AM
He supports universal healthcare for one. That's as socialist an ideal as any I can think of. He also subscribes to the high taxes / high spending progressive platform, which while you do not accumulate much deficits, you pretty much bankrupt the economy... or at the very least, stifle it's ability to grow.

Still, he was the only one of the Democratic candidates to seriously back the idea of a balanced budget. I don't think he was as into high taxes/high spending as you might think. He's really an economic moderate, and successfully carried out that approach in Vermont.

erlynn
June 1st, 2005, 12:40 PM
I can't decide. I'm going to have to dig a little deeper and see who I'd like to vote for. On the one hand, I'd like to see a moderate in office even though I consider myself pretty far to the left. So if I were going to vote moderate, it would be McCain. Then on the other hand, if I vote exactly how I feel, I'd probably go with the Green Party (Cobb). However, I don't like his living wage platform. So then Hillary might be an option, but she totally screwed up health care.... Though I think it would be interesting to see a libertarian in office to see what would happen. Dang it! I can't decide. Good thing I have 3 more years to decide. I'll work at the local level for now.

Jenne
June 1st, 2005, 12:42 PM
I can't decide. I'm going to have to dig a little deeper and see who I'd like to vote for. On the one hand, I'd like to see a moderate in office even though I consider myself pretty far to the left. So if I were going to vote moderate, it would be McCain. Then on the other hand, if I vote exactly how I feel, I'd probably go with the Green Party (Cobb). However, I don't like his living wage platform. So then Hillary might be an option, but she totally screwed up health care.... Though I think it would be interesting to see a libertarian in office to see what would happen. Dang it! I can't decide. Good thing I have 3 more years to decide. I'll work at the local level for now.

LOL, I SO know how you feel. I'm anxiously waiting (well, relatively so) to see who exactly is going up for it. Because some of the choice are just WRONG in my opinion, and others are probably not as popular but would be excellent. Le Sigh...well, we have quite a few months to worry about it!

Darkdale
June 1st, 2005, 01:21 PM
Still, he was the only one of the Democratic candidates to seriously back the idea of a balanced budget. I don't think he was as into high taxes/high spending as you might think. He's really an economic moderate, and successfully carried out that approach in Vermont.

I'll give you that. I suppose he's only a flaming liberal in his rhetoric. Looking at his record in Vermont, I would agree with you. In fact, his record in Vermont is rather close to Mark Warner's record in Virginia. Of course, Mark Warner would be a better presidential candidate simply for his lack of "yeeeeeeeeeeeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhassssssssassas!" 's . :)