Irresponsable dog owners

[Fallen Angel]

So me and my sister were walking our dogs to the next town to see if my chegue had been accepted yet. As we were walking down the street a boxer came out of the garden and chased us trying to attack. She grabbed it while holding her Alsation who was going to rip his head off. Now both of them were evenly matched. But my dog wrapped around my legs so he was between me and the boxer (bkess him he's so small and a lapdog, but he can be good in a fight, he can pin my sisters Alsation). I have no doubt that if that boxer had of overpowered my sister, or bit one of us then both dogs would have whooped the boxers ass. So where was the owner who hadn't put a collar on her dog or closed the garden gate? Stood like three houses back screaming for the dog. Then not even a sorry.

[BlueMoon13]

It's dog owners like that that make it so damn difficult to rent an apartment if you have a dog.They screw it up for the rest of us.

[Fallen Angel]

Yeah, people like that shouldn't be allowed to have dogs.

[Kailen]

~agrees~ Nope, they shouldn't be allowed to have dogs, just the same as parents who can't bring up their kids decently and control them and give them a firm set of morals and values to abide by shouldn't be allowed to have kids. Who wants people raising criminals? I'm sure many will disagree with me on that view, ~shrugs~ the world would be boring if we weren't all different.

[Fallen Angel]

I agree with you on that my 7 cousens and my second cousen (i think that's it. My cousens son) should never have been born. Ok I can't tell about the last one he's only 3 ish. but the seven cousens are all hoolagans.

People should know that they can handle things before they can have them. I mean if I thought for a moment that I couldn't raise a kid I would abandon the hope of having one. After all kids and animals look to us to take care of them and if we can't control them...Who can? It's not right and it's not fair on them.

Yeah, sidetrack me with kids and I can rant forever. Kids are like the most wanted thing in my life.

[LadyTrinity]

My sister inlaws neighbor always has their yippy dog off a leach. I dont know why? the thing comes up to you about 1 meter from your feet and just yips and yips. Makes me so uncomfortable. :2G:

[MoonDust]

Drives me nuts when I see that!
I live in a neighborhood where they think it's perfectly ok to let their dogs wander out of their yard and wander around the neighborhood. We have small children and elderly people, not to mention an elementary school nearby and a Jr high school and a high school!

I finally had enough and started calling animal control. I'm sorry but the safety of the children comes first.

[Fallen Angel]

Exactly. I think we would have reported it to. Thankfully it's a rare occurance around here that dog owners are bad...at least what I see. However as we live in the country side me and my sister and most other dog owners, quite happily let our dogs off lead out of town.

[Yvonne Belisle]

Sometimes it isn't a matter of someone being irresponsible. I have court tomorrow because the wind was really bad and blew my back door open. My three dogs got out. We never take them out without us being with them and we were out looking for them less than five minutes after they got out. My dogs don't even go in the yard without being on their chain with us out there because our fence isn't good enough to keep them in so we have never tried it. Yet because of a freak happening of nature I have to go to court as an irresponsible dog owner. Try to keep in mind not all dogs running loose who have owners is due to owner irresponsibility.

[Fallen Angel]

The one I'm talking about was though. She was sat on her doorstep playing with it.

[Yvonne Belisle]

Many are I just want to remind people it is often the responsible owner that gets shafted when the unusual happens.

[MoonDust]

Sometimes it isn't a matter of someone being irresponsible. I have court tomorrow because the wind was really bad and blew my back door open. My three dogs got out. We never take them out without us being with them and we were out looking for them less than five minutes after they got out. My dogs don't even go in the yard without being on their chain with us out there because our fence isn't good enough to keep them in so we have never tried it. Yet because of a freak happening of nature I have to go to court as an irresponsible dog owner. Try to keep in mind not all dogs running loose who have owners is due to owner irresponsibility.
I realize there are unusual circumstances at times, but I know my neighborhood and the mentality of most of the pet owners around here. They still see a dog as a guard and nothing else. You feed it because it'll keep the animal alive to protect the house and you'll have it's loyalty. Most don't have licenses or basic health care beyond a few shots because taking your pet to the vet is just too expensive. I've had countless visits from my aunt asking about the health of her dogs because she refuses to take the poor things to the vet.

[QUEEN OF THE DAMNED]

I am so sick of crap like that. I am sooo scared of big dogs because I have had that sort of thing happen so many times and I dont even own a dog myself. I'm sick of people leaving their gates open so their dogs can get out, sick of dogs barking at me when I am nowhere near them as they try to bite through the fence to eat me, sick of idiots that walk their dogs without leashes. I live in a city, there is no excuse for that behaviour. I want to go walking for excerise, but everyt single time that I have done that I have had some sort of altercation with a large dog and it scares the hell out of me. One of my neighbours has a rottweiler and leaves her gate open, so every morning when I walk to the bus I live in terror of the thing running after me and catching me (it runs after me often). Why should I have to live in fear from animals when I live in the city, there's enough people predators out there to worry about. Sorry to rant alot. This really shits me. There are laws but no one obeys them and the local govt here tried to reform them because there were so many attacks but they ended up leaving it alone because too many dog owners complained it wasn't fair! Not fair? It's not fair that I cannot walk anywhere without being accosted by a large animal. I cant help being scared of them and omitting a smell that they want to eat.

I hate irresponsible dog owners. If you are one, get it together!!!

Please note: I have no problem with responsible dog owners, if you are one.....:yourock:

Also, I understand that these things are not the dogs fault. I blame the owners, the dogs have natural instincts to do those things.


:collapse: I'm exhausted after that :)

[Fallen Angel]

Awww poor you :hugz: Yeah in a city it's way worse. Me and my sister are responsable. We take our dogs on lead, and before taking them off, we make sure it's safe for them, us and anyone else...ie no people, no cars, no dogs.

Our other dog was strange he would open the garden gate and take himself for walks. Never minded people. Ignored them lest they fussed him, but he took himself for walks. He was raised on a farm and allowed to do it and there was nothing we could do to stop him.

[QUEEN OF THE DAMNED]

Awww poor you :hugz: Yeah in a city it's way worse. Me and my sister are responsable. We take our dogs on lead, and before taking them off, we make sure it's safe for them, us and anyone else...ie no people, no cars, no dogs.

Our other dog was strange he would open the garden gate and take himself for walks. Never minded people. Ignored them lest they fussed him, but he took himself for walks. He was raised on a farm and allowed to do it and there was nothing we could do to stop him.

Thanks for the hugs. I feel like a big wussy whinger now :lol:

Farm dogs have their own little way of life dont they? I'm pretty used to farm dogs (I'm from the country, moved to the city 4 years ago) and I find they dont really bother anyone (like you said) unless people bother them. I suppose there are so many different things and people for the city dogs to suss out, that's why they get so excited about everything...so many smells :)




..........I think I killed the thread, come back! :crazyman:

[enchancea]

I really hate people like that. I have a small dog who hates all other animals and I always have her on a leash and sometimes Im afraid to walk her because people around here dont like to keep their dogs on a leash. It doesnt matter if their dog is nice what if it comes up to my dog and gets bit because she wont hesitate to bite another dog. Our old neighbors never tied their dogs up and I couldnt even take my dog out to the bathroom without their dogs coming after her. I had to hose down one of their dogs one night because it wouldnt get out of our yard and kept trying to bite everyone.

[Old Witch]

I am so sick of crap like that. I am sooo scared of big dogs because I have had that sort of thing happen so many times and I dont even own a dog myself. I'm sick of people leaving their gates open so their dogs can get out, sick of dogs barking at me when I am nowhere near them as they try to bite through the fence to eat me, sick of idiots that walk their dogs without leashes. I live in a city, there is no excuse for that behaviour. I want to go walking for excerise, but everyt single time that I have done that I have had some sort of altercation with a large dog and it scares the hell out of me. One of my neighbours has a rottweiler and leaves her gate open, so every morning when I walk to the bus I live in terror of the thing running after me and catching me (it runs after me often). Why should I have to live in fear from animals when I live in the city, there's enough people predators out there to worry about. Sorry to rant alot. This really shits me. There are laws but no one obeys them and the local govt here tried to reform them because there were so many attacks but they ended up leaving it alone because too many dog owners complained it wasn't fair! Not fair? It's not fair that I cannot walk anywhere without being accosted by a large animal. I cant help being scared of them and omitting a smell that they want to eat.

I hate irresponsible dog owners. If you are one, get it together!!!

Please note: I have no problem with responsible dog owners, if you are one.....:yourock:

Also, I understand that these things are not the dogs fault. I blame the owners, the dogs have natural instincts to do those things.


:collapse: I'm exhausted after that :)

Inyeresting that you think that a dog inside a secure fence barking at you makes the owner irresponsible.....Maybe you just don't like dogs....And you'd just as soon no one would have dogs?

Anyway...Our town has very strict animal control laws, no dogs roam. If a dog is loose, the animal control officer makes every attempt to find the owner before it's taken in...If a dog is loose in my neighborhood, I usually take it in and contact the police and animal control, they tell the owners when they call where to find it...Or the owners just come to my house because I have the rep of dog rescuer....:lol: Funny, only one dog I've kept has never been claimed.....My Australian Cattle Dog, Apache...I couldn't bear to lose her after I had her a while...

[Fallen Angel]

Thanks for the hugs. I feel like a big wussy whinger now :lol:

Farm dogs have their own little way of life dont they? I'm pretty used to farm dogs (I'm from the country, moved to the city 4 years ago) and I find they dont really bother anyone (like you said) unless people bother them. I suppose there are so many different things and people for the city dogs to suss out, that's why they get so excited about everything...so many smells :)




..........I think I killed the thread, come back! :crazyman:

Hehe naw thread isn't killed. You'll find it hard to kill one of my threads I always have at least one reply when I get online :p

Farm dogs are the best. They look after themselves and have been trained to get on with other animals so they get on with almost everything and while being curious are so without being annoying to others. All hail them.

Never had a city dog though. My dog was bought in the city but lives in the countryside, my sisters dog was born and lives in the country and our family dog was a farm dog in the city.

[Valkie]

I'd just like to point out that keep your dog on a leash/chain, in a kennel, or physically restrained at all times does not make you a 'responsible' dog owner.

A 'responsible' dog owner should take the time to properly train their animal to be a good citizen so that people don't have to worry about them if they aren't physically restrained at all times.

I have a 12 yr old chocolate dobie who is rarely on a leash. He doesn't chase people, doesn't chase cars, has perfect recall both in and out of view, has never threatened anyone. These come from training and lots of it, not from a 'responsible' owner who keeps him tied up and restrained at all times.

[Yvonne Belisle]

We do work with our dogs and are sending them to a real obidence school in the fall.

[Fallen Angel]

We work with our dogs. We've trained my sisters to kill, but come back on her command. He's like police dog now. Then again he has good blood for it. Comes from an army dog as his father and my cousens dog as his mother. Pure pedegree (I know, I spelt it wrong). But a big part of beoing responsable is keeping the dog on leash. Dogs are animals, not machines, no matter how much training they have they can suprise you. Which is why we don't let kids go near my sisters dog. No responsable dog owner will take the leash off where there are other people or dogs. If you do then you are not responsable. I'm sorry but you're not.

[mara]

My daughter lives in a place with no leash laws and the dogs are everywhere- my grandchildren can't play outside without stepping in dog crap ( probqbly infested with parasites), and once a pitbull came into the house and traumatized my grandchildren to such a degree that they are absolutely terrified of dogs of any kind. I have no sympathy for people who own such animals, and if one comes around again and I am there I will not hesitate to use whatever means necessary to get rid of it.. for good. It infuriates me that people are allowed to own certain breeds of dogs, and people who defend them are idiots plain and simple.I adore animals whether anyone believes that or not., but my family will always come first. It isn't the animals fault, but in many cases it is in the animals genes..agression is what they're bred for...Duh, then people wonder why their two year old is mauled or killed. Stupid people.

[QUEEN OF THE DAMNED]

Inyeresting that you think that a dog inside a secure fence barking at you makes the owner irresponsible.....Maybe you just don't like dogs....And you'd just as soon no one would have dogs?

Obviously dogs are going to bark when people walk past, but isn't there something wrong with them if they want to kill that person walking past, especially when the dog has lived in a city (with people around outside it's gate constantly) all it's life and the person walking past is as far over the other side of the road as possible. If they just barked it wouldn't scare the hell out of me, do you see what I mean? I had a big dog bite through a 6 foot wooden fence and bail me up against a wall one day and it was only because it's owner came home at that exact time that I wasn't mince meat. Again I was nowhere near the dog's yard and I had to walk past to get home. Can you see why I have that fear now? :spinner:
I dont mind dogs, I am scared of big dogs straight up because of all the incidents that have occurred with them in my life, but if they are good dogs I warm to them. I want a dog of my own...I would still get a little one though. I rent and it's hard to find places where they let you have dogs, otherwise I would already have one. As I say I've grown up around farm dogs and they are big and I've never had any issues with them, I love them.

Anyway...Our town has very strict animal control laws, no dogs roam. If a dog is loose, the animal control officer makes every attempt to find the owner before it's taken in...If a dog is loose in my neighborhood, I usually take it in and contact the police and animal control, they tell the owners when they call where to find it...Or the owners just come to my house because I have the rep of dog rescuer....:lol: Funny, only one dog I've kept has never been claimed.....My Australian Cattle Dog, Apache...I couldn't bear to lose her after I had her a while...
I think they have those rules here, the authorities just dont uphold them well.
You must have a real affinity with dogs, that's cool.
When you say Aussie cattle dog, do you mean a blue or red heeler or something else? I'm not sure if the naems of them vary between countries. I have known some beautiful blueys.

BTW I agree about the responsible owners actually caring for and training their dogs, I widh people who have dogs would really think about whether they have the time and caring for such a responsiblitity. I'm glad there are so many responsible and caring dog owners out there, I hope to be one soon. :sunny:

[winterrosewaitin]

"We work with our dogs. We've trained my sisters to kill"

That is the most awful thing I have heard of.

"Obviously dogs are going to bark when people walk past, but isn't there something wrong with them if they want to kill that person walking past."

Yes there is something wrong with them, maybe they were trained to kill too???

[Valkie]

We work with our dogs. We've trained my sisters to kill, but come back on her command. He's like police dog now. Then again he has good blood for it. Comes from an army dog as his father and my cousens dog as his mother. Pure pedegree (I know, I spelt it wrong). But a big part of beoing responsable is keeping the dog on leash. Dogs are animals, not machines, no matter how much training they have they can suprise you. Which is why we don't let kids go near my sisters dog. No responsable dog owner will take the leash off where there are other people or dogs. If you do then you are not responsable. I'm sorry but you're not.

Agreed. My point is that the dog's train is just as important, if not more important, than the leash.

Around here, it doesn't matter if your dog is in your yard and leashed, if someone walks into your yard and the dog attacks that person unprovoked, you run the risk of having your dog put down. On the same note, if my dog is off leash and stays in the yard, there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Besides that, your dog was trained as an attack dog. Trained to defend property and people. Most people don't do that. If their dog is going to attack someone it is usually because the animal is poorly trained and poorly socialized.

[QUEEN OF THE DAMNED]

"Obviously dogs are going to bark when people walk past, but isn't there something wrong with them if they want to kill that person walking past."

Yes there is something wrong with them, maybe they were trained to kill too???
Yeah, you are right. That's why I cant stand the owners of those dogs. Why would you train your dog to kill? :whatgives

[Fallen Angel]

There's nothing wrong with training your dog to kill.
My sisters dog is an Alsation, he's a guard dog. Of course he's trained to kill. To protect our family. That's not aweful, it's what his breed were there for and it's what he is along with a loved family member.

In short training a dog to kill is not mean, it's not bad, in fact it's origionally what dogs were bred for in this country. And whoever enters our backyard or our house without permission does so at their own risk. We never allow anyone near him without us there. Like when we walk them and kids want to stroke our dogs. They can mine, but not hers. He is not badly treated and there is no one who will get a bite off him if they do not deserve it. What's hard to understand?

[QUEEN OF THE DAMNED]

There's nothing wrong with training your dog to kill.
My sisters dog is an Alsation, he's a guard dog. Of course he's trained to kill. To protect our family. That's not aweful, it's what his breed were there for and it's what he is along with a loved family member.

In short training a dog to kill is not mean, it's not bad, in fact it's origionally what dogs were bred for in this country. And whoever enters our backyard or our house without permission does so at their own risk. We never allow anyone near him without us there. Like when we walk them and kids want to stroke our dogs. They can mine, but not hers. He is not badly treated and there is no one who will get a bite off him if they do not deserve it. What's hard to understand?

Please dont think I am being mean here, I am not trying to, but have you thought about what could happen if an accident happened and he got out. What if he got out and killed some innocent person? It wouldn't be his fault, because he was taught to behave that way. Yet that innocent person and the dog would lose their lives.

[Fallen Angel]

hehe Joe get out? LMAO He did get out once. Poor dog my aunt left the gate open when looking after him. He wound up cowering in public toilets. Naw he's trained to kill, but only if we say or it's in defense of us or our property. He'll give you a loud bark and growl and terrify you if you ever catch him on his own. He's just not a people dog naturally. So he'll growl and bark and back away unless it's in defence of us and our property.

[Old Witch]

Obviously dogs are going to bark when people walk past, but isn't there something wrong with them if they want to kill that person walking past, especially when the dog has lived in a city (with people around outside it's gate constantly) all it's life and the person walking past is as far over the other side of the road as possible. If they just barked it wouldn't scare the hell out of me, do you see what I mean? I had a big dog bite through a 6 foot wooden fence and bail me up against a wall one day and it was only because it's owner came home at that exact time that I wasn't mince meat. Again I was nowhere near the dog's yard and I had to walk past to get home. Can you see why I have that fear now? :spinner:
I dont mind dogs, I am scared of big dogs straight up because of all the incidents that have occurred with them in my life, but if they are good dogs I warm to them. I want a dog of my own...I would still get a little one though. I rent and it's hard to find places where they let you have dogs, otherwise I would already have one. As I say I've grown up around farm dogs and they are big and I've never had any issues with them, I love them.


I think they have those rules here, the authorities just dont uphold them well.
You must have a real affinity with dogs, that's cool.
When you say Aussie cattle dog, do you mean a blue or red heeler or something else? I'm not sure if the naems of them vary between countries. I have known some beautiful blueys.

BTW I agree about the responsible owners actually caring for and training their dogs, I widh people who have dogs would really think about whether they have the time and caring for such a responsiblitity. I'm glad there are so many responsible and caring dog owners out there, I hope to be one soon. :sunny:

I have a Stumpy Blue Heeler...Little mean bitch, but has appointed herself my3 month old Grandsons Nanny...She loves that child to death...

[Old Witch]

My daughter lives in a place with no leash laws and the dogs are everywhere- my grandchildren can't play outside without stepping in dog crap ( probqbly infested with parasites), and once a pitbull came into the house and traumatized my grandchildren to such a degree that they are absolutely terrified of dogs of any kind. I have no sympathy for people who own such animals, and if one comes around again and I am there I will not hesitate to use whatever means necessary to get rid of it.. for good. It infuriates me that people are allowed to own certain breeds of dogs, and people who defend them are idiots plain and simple.I adore animals whether anyone believes that or not., but my family will always come first. It isn't the animals fault, but in many cases it is in the animals genes..agression is what they're bred for...Duh, then people wonder why their two year old is mauled or killed. Stupid people.


Hmmm...Did you know tha Mol and Semele have a Pit Bull... and Yvonne has a few of them...And I own a Rott......Big, bad, nasty, dog....

[Yvonne Belisle]

Yup a few of my babies are posted here in the critter forum. My pits would die to protect us and it goes the other way around too.

[Élistariel]

Sometimes it isn't a matter of someone being irresponsible. I have court tomorrow because the wind was really bad and blew my back door open. My three dogs got out. We never take them out without us being with them and we were out looking for them less than five minutes after they got out. My dogs don't even go in the yard without being on their chain with us out there because our fence isn't good enough to keep them in so we have never tried it. Yet because of a freak happening of nature I have to go to court as an irresponsible dog owner. Try to keep in mind not all dogs running loose who have owners is due to owner irresponsibility.

Holy crap. Did you explain that to the people? I swear people can be SO fugging unreasonable sometimes. Our dogs run loose too, but I live in a small community where houses are spaced apart. Not to mention I'm related to most of my neighbors. Heck, my dog, who turned a year old on the 21st is half "sneaky neighbor dog". :nyah:

[Élistariel]

Hmmm...Did you know tha Mol and Semele have a Pit Bull... and Yvonne has a few of them...And I own a Rott......Big, bad, nasty, dog....


One of the sweetest dogs I ever knew was a doberman. I think that dogs and prospective owners (if they're buying) should go through and evaluation process.
Also, with dog poo. Cleaning up after your dog should just be common sense. I don't clean up after mine, but that's only because we live on the edge of the woods, and my dogs just go in the woods. I have a fairly large yard, and I've never seen a pile of dog poo. We didn't train them to do that either. They just do. Now my ducks on the other hand... I've stepped in duck doodie more times than I care to think about. At leat duck poop doesn't smell like...

[QUEEN OF THE DAMNED]

I have a Stumpy Blue Heeler...Little mean bitch, but has appointed herself my3 month old Grandsons Nanny...She loves that child to death...

She must be gorgeous. I love blueys, great dogs! Have you got any pics?

[enchancea]

My daughter lives in a place with no leash laws and the dogs are everywhere- my grandchildren can't play outside without stepping in dog crap ( probqbly infested with parasites), and once a pitbull came into the house and traumatized my grandchildren to such a degree that they are absolutely terrified of dogs of any kind. I have no sympathy for people who own such animals, and if one comes around again and I am there I will not hesitate to use whatever means necessary to get rid of it.. for good. It infuriates me that people are allowed to own certain breeds of dogs, and people who defend them are idiots plain and simple.I adore animals whether anyone believes that or not., but my family will always come first. It isn't the animals fault, but in many cases it is in the animals genes..agression is what they're bred for...Duh, then people wonder why their two year old is mauled or killed. Stupid people.
And people who blame certain breeds for things like this are idiots. I have met far more meaner little dogs than I have pitts or any other big breed dog. Any dog can be mean, not just certain breeds and believe it or not there are more attacks in this world than just what the media reports. They have a tendency for only reporting the attacks by certain breeds but when someone gets attacked by a dalmation or something you never see anything about it anywhere but that doesnt mean it doesnt happen. And if the pittbull was so horrible how come it didnt harm your grandchildren?

[Karma Chameleon]

I agree that it's just plain wrong to let dogs roam free like that. They can cause harm and be harmed themselves. I've had dogs chase me and bite me before. The dog that bite me became a dead dog too.

(And no, I didn't kill it, because the dog had bitten people (I wasn't the only one, the same German Shephred had bitten a little girl not to long before it attacked me) it was tested for rabies, which of course means that they examined it's brain. It wasn't rabid. In spite of the dog biting me and me being pissed off at it, I did feel sorry for it that it had to be killed. I blame the owners for not taking proper care of their pet.)

[QUEEN OF THE DAMNED]

I think everyone needs to keep in mind that this thread is about Irresponsible Dog Owners. That is who we are all whinging about isn't it? I'm pretty sure that everyone knows that these issues are the owner's fault.


:whatgives ......just trying to keep the peace.... :fpeace: :bubbles:

[enchancea]

I think everyone needs to keep in mind that this thread is about Irresponsible Dog Owners. That is who we are all whinging about isn't it? I'm pretty sure that everyone knows that these issues are the owner's fault.


:whatgives ......just trying to keep the peace.... :fpeace: :bubbles:
Yes but I didnt think it was right to put the blame on certain breeds. Blame should be put on the owners.

[Yvonne Belisle]

Holy crap. Did you explain that to the people? I swear people can be SO fugging unreasonable sometimes. Our dogs run loose too, but I live in a small community where houses are spaced apart. Not to mention I'm related to most of my neighbors. Heck, my dog, who turned a year old on the 21st is half "sneaky neighbor dog". :nyah:


I still got a fine because they were out and I didn't deny that but it was not as bad as it could have been.

[Old Witch]

She must be gorgeous. I love blueys, great dogs! Have you got any pics?

Let me see, these pics are about 2 years old, I think and not that good, she doesn't pose like Dax does.... I'm going to get a good pic of her today if it kills me.........

[Yvonne Belisle]

Such a cutie!!!

[winterrosewaitin]

Yeah, you are right. That's why I cant stand the owners of those dogs. Why would you train your dog to kill? :whatgives


I would never even have thought about it, it isn't a responsible thing to do. Accidents happen.
I have 6 akitas, 1 wolf/ shep mix, 2 Beligum shephards, 5 chihuahuas. When they have pups, I make sure the pups are socialised, especially with children.
If I don't like the person that wants to buy a pup, I won't sell it to them. If someone told me they were going to train one to kill, they would be looking at the end of a shot gun and told to get out!
My dogs do bark when people walk by the kennels, but they don't jump at the fence and try to get people.

[mara]

Hmmm...Did you know tha Mol and Semele have a Pit Bull... and Yvonne has a few of them...And I own a Rott......Big, bad, nasty, dog....
Hmmm...It makes no difference to me who owns one...MY opinion is the same. I think they should be illegal. I'm pretty sure that everyone you listed is a responsible pet owner, but most people aren't..most people in my daughter's neighborhood are young men who buy them to look macho..If my daughter has no legal remedy then the dog will meet an early demise if it growls or acts aggressively at my grandchildren.

[Yvonne Belisle]

That is like saying statistically people of color commit more murders so lets kill them all off it will reduce the crime. It isn't the fault of the whole group of dogs anymore than it is the fault of a whole group of people. Both solutions are wrong. I would be in favor of special lisences for certain breed owners though and required insurance. That would reduce the people who want one just to look tough.

[enchancea]

That is like saying statistically people of color commit more murders so lets kill them all off it will reduce the crime. It isn't the fault of the whole group of dogs anymore than it is the fault of a whole group of people. Both solutions are wrong. I would be in favor of special lisences for certain breed owners though and required insurance. That would reduce the people who want one just to look tough.
Thats a perfect solution. Might even cut down on dog fighting too.

[Valkie]

yes... let's ban the breed because of a bunch of stupid, irresponsible kids who need a penis extention! That way, even the responsible people who get the breed for other reasons can be labled criminals too!! :flamer:

I agree with Yvonne. There are certin breeds that people should have to prove that they are capable of being able to handle and licenced for it, pitbulls being one (and before anyone jumps on me for that, I own 2). I advocate the licencing not because the animals are dangerous, it's because people who aren't commited to their dogs are dangerous and because there are stupid people out there who will get a breed as a penis extention without any care what so ever about the dog's needs.

[mara]

[QUOTE=Valkie]yes... let's ban the breed because of a bunch of stupid, irresponsible kids who need a penis extention! That way, even the responsible people who get the breed for other reasons can be labled criminals too!! :flamer:

Yes, that is exactly what I think they should do. Time and time again these dogs maul and kill children and the owners are left saying" I never thought he would do something like that"..Mayve I'm in the minority here. but children are more important to me than a dog..an ugly one at that. Yes I know that any dog can harm a child, but Rottweilers. pitbulls or similar dogs have reputations for a reason, and the strength to kill a child..I would never risk my childs life for a dog I "thought" I knew would never harm anyone. If that's what you want to do, I guess it's legal..but keep the thing where its supposed to be.

[enchancea]

Any big dog can kill a child if it wants to. That includes collies, dalmations, golden retrievers...etc. Doesnt mean that all big dog breeds should be banned. I agree with what Yvonne said because the people who get them to look tough or fight them probably wont want to go through all of that trouble. And if they were to ban certain breeds whats to stop these people from going and getting other big breed dogs and make them mean? Then should those dogs be banned? And Im sorry that animals that you find ugly arent important to you. All animals are important to me...even to so called ugly ones. If anything people are the problem, not the breed or the dog.

my daughter's neighborhood are young men who buy them to look macho..If my daughter has no legal remedy then the dog will meet an early demise if it growls or acts aggressively at my grandchildren.
Maybe its the people you need to worry about instead of the dogs. I live in a place where there are lots of these dogs and I have yet to meet a mean one. I owned a pitt bull mix myself and she was sweetheart. So if someone is just walking their dog down the street and it looks at your grandchildren and growls you will kill it?

[mara]

Once again the point I try to make is lost...I am not talking about biting, I am talking about the genetic makeup that makes a certain dog breed not let go until the victim is dead. I would not really be able to kill a dog walking on a leash now would I? But you can bet that the owner would hear an earfull for several blocks down the road. I didn't say the pitbull wasn't important to me because it is ugly..I was just making the observation. If I had a dog of any breed that growled and threatened anyone..it would be gone.

[Valkie]

So, let's see. I know one woman on-line that was mauled by a golden retriever. So let's ban golden retrievers. I read a news story once about a pomeranian that killed a 6wk old infant. Let's ban those too!

Oh, and please let's start to talk about the mauling/death in SanFransisco!! Because, there was nothing in the news about the two maulings the week before that were done by akitas.

Even better, let's discuss Ontario's pitbull ban. I know that I reposted an article on this forum of about the pitty that was relocated to Washington and is now in training to be a bomb sniffing dog.

But if you want "non-bias" statistics, you could always check out the US health dept statistics on dog bites. Pitbulls make up less than 1 percent of reported bites. There was one study that cited that a greater chance of being struck by lightening than being killed by a pit. But shoot, we can't ban lightening... can we? But we can ban horses!! They're more likely to attack and/or kill someone than a pit.

You know, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cloud your opinion with facts. But until you can provide solid proof that BSL works (which even the governments that have enacted then can't do), you don't have a leg to stand on.

It's not the breed. It's the irresponsible owners and those people are not limited what breed they pick.

[enchancea]

I am talking about the genetic makeup that makes a certain dog breed not let go until the victim is dead. I would not really be able to kill a dog walking on a leash now would I? But you can bet that the owner would hear an earfull for several blocks down the road. I didn't say the pitbull wasn't important to me because it is ugly..I was just making the observation. If I had a dog of any breed that growled and threatened anyone..it would be gone.
But then wouldnt everyone who got attacked by those certain breeds be dead? Because there are alot of people who dont die from attacks including children. I really dont see what you could possibly say to the owner of that dog, I mean if they have it on leash then they are being responsible. And if they want to own a dog that isnt friendly with every one its their business as long as they are responsible. Its fine to say that you wouldnt own a dog that growled but to say something like this:
If my daughter has no legal remedy then the dog will meet an early demise if it growls or acts aggressively at my grandchildren.
Is wrong. Who are you to say that you will kill someone else's pet? I understand if it wasnt on a leash and threatned your grandchildren. But if someone was just walking their dog and it looked in your grandchildrens direction and growled you have no right to say it would meet an early demise.
I have a mean little dog, she is a pomeranian/poodle mix and I know she is mean and doesnt like any other animals or people she doesnt know and I keep her on a leash whenever she is outside. But that doesnt stop people from wanting to pet her. Ive gotten kids trying to run up to her and pet her and if I didnt grab her in time Im sure she would have bitten someone. Which brings up another thing, its not always the dogs fault when a kid gets bit or mauled. You never hear the story all you here is that pittbull or whatever it is attacked this child. They never say anything else. They dont mention if the dog was tied up and child ran up to it or not. Some children do just run up to dogs and try to pet them, even if its not their dog.
It all comes down to the owners.

[mara]

First off..the way a dog growls is the issue. If a dog growls at me I take it as a warning and leave him alone and that is fine. I am talking about a dog that is growling in an aggressive manner and will obviously attack given the chance. I don't care what a child does to a dog..to attack(not simply bite or growl at) a person or another animal is not acceptable. I agree that a lot of it comes down to owners, but not all of it. I will try to explain again by saying that the only time I would do harm to a dog is if it were on my property and acting in an aggressive mannor..I would not get any joy out of it whatsoever, but I am shocked that people don't seem to get that children are more important than dogs.

[Yvonne Belisle]

ANY dog can kill a child if provoked not just a big one. Any animal can be dangerous. You have focused on one breed of dog without even having all the facts on the breed either. You keep citing that they were bred for aggression. If you truely knew about the breed you would know they were bred to be dog agressive but people friendly. When they were being fought humans stepped in and pulled them apart any that turned on humans were killed and not allowed to breed. It's like rat terriers they were bred to go after and kill rats they were bred agressive toward rats. They were not bred to be agressive toward humans. Frankly your assumptions that the kids did nothing to cause the dogs to attack in at least some of those cases is most likely severely off. Yes some dogs will attack for no reason but many more attack due to being provoked or human error. Responsibly raised and socialized pits are not more dangerous than other breeds. Are you aware that the most decorated dog in ww2 was a pit and that lassie bit her handlers many times yet petie from the little rascals never bit anyone? One of the most vicious dogs I know of is the chauhau alone that dog doesn't pose much threat to an adult but it does to a small child and in a pack they can take down larger children. Again it is not the breed but people that cause the problem in most cases. You comment about dogs agressively growling from behind their fence yet do you think about the kids that tease the dog because they feel it is safe? The dog doesn't differenciate between the kids who tease and those who don't anymore than you seem to differenciate between the dog that attacks and the dog that doesn't. Yet you are a thinking animal capable of rational thought and the dog is not. The two of you seem very close in thought. The dog will defend it's home and family with whatever means needed, you will defend your home and family with whatever means needed. Gee you sound a lot like my pitbulls.

[Fallen Angel]

Ok lets end the rascism to dogs now and for good. Pitbuls were bred to fight which means that when they fight they have more chance of causing more harm than most others. Alsations German shepards are equal a match to them, bred for guarding and killing any intruders. Dobermans are softies and they are even less likely to bite than pitbuls. But while the big dogs were bred for fighting, guarding and what have you. It is the little ones who are more dangerous. The big ones rarely fight but when they do cause a lot of damage. Little ones are always yapping and trying to prove their worth. In short all dogs will bite but the bigger dog you get the less likely it is to do so and only the command of it's owner will stop it, little ones will carry on till you force them away.

That is why they don't have liscences for certain dogs, because if you average it out the little ones are the ones who do the most damage. The popular breeds.

[QUEEN OF THE DAMNED]

Yes but I didnt think it was right to put the blame on certain breeds. Blame should be put on the owners.

I agree.

Old Witch: Those pics are adorable. You've even got me thinking of getting a bluey when I get a house now. They are beautiful dogs.

[QUEEN OF THE DAMNED]

That is like saying statistically people of color commit more murders so lets kill them all off it will reduce the crime. It isn't the fault of the whole group of dogs anymore than it is the fault of a whole group of people. Both solutions are wrong. I would be in favor of special lisences for certain breed owners though and required insurance. That would reduce the people who want one just to look tough.

Great idea!

[Old Witch]

I agree.

Old Witch: Those pics are adorable. You've even got me thinking of getting a bluey when I get a house now. They are beautiful dogs.
Thanks hon. Now that Apache is full grown, she's even prettier.

[winterrosewaitin]

Ok lets end the rascism to dogs now and for good. Pitbuls were bred to fight which means that when they fight they have more chance of causing more harm than most others. Alsations German shepards are equal a match to them, bred for guarding and killing any intruders.


German Shepards were originally bred to herd sheep.

[Fallen Angel]

While herding sheep they were also bred to guard them. Later they were no longer needed to shepard and were replaced by other dogs, but they maintained that guarding sense and the herding. Which is why they will look after your children and kill an intruder.

[DrkCrystalWhtDragon]

The little dogs can do some serious damage too. A friend of mine was bitten 3 times in what people would call an attack. 26 stiches and and almost severed achillies tenden. So lets ban this breed too those dogs are vicious. Come on now. Ah, I know since the dog never showed aggression before it must of been imbred into it to attack the person that was petting him. NO NO, wait... it was the owner thinking that the dog wasn't a danger to this person since they have known and played with each other (the dog) for months. Things happen when dealing with animals, even when everything is done right. Since the attack the dog has shown no aggresion towards anyone including the person he bit. So ban lapsu apsus too!!

[Unorthodox]

I'm in the process of buying a house and I am ALREADY having problems with my future neighbor's dog. We were walking around the property we are purchasing and their dog (a shepherd/chow) came flying off of their property with teeth bared, ears back and hackles raised right at my friends 5 year old daughter. I was ready to have to grab the dog w/ my bare hands to protect her. The neighbor called out "oh-he won't do anything he's harmless" I wanted to attach HIM w/ my bare hands. Scared the heck out of me and the little girl. Then yesterday, I was out again showing my mom-and the damn dog started to come after her! I'm worried because I have 4 little dogs that would be a snack for this creature. I think I'm going to call the animal warden and report him. They just let the dog wander around and several times I've driven by and almost hit him on the road. They have absolutely NO control over him.

[Yvonne Belisle]

I'm in the process of buying a house and I am ALREADY having problems with my future neighbor's dog. We were walking around the property we are purchasing and their dog (a shepherd/chow) came flying off of their property with teeth bared, ears back and hackles raised right at my friends 5 year old daughter. I was ready to have to grab the dog w/ my bare hands to protect her. The neighbor called out "oh-he won't do anything he's harmless" I wanted to attach HIM w/ my bare hands. Scared the heck out of me and the little girl. Then yesterday, I was out again showing my mom-and the damn dog started to come after her! I'm worried because I have 4 little dogs that would be a snack for this creature. I think I'm going to call the animal warden and report him. They just let the dog wander around and several times I've driven by and almost hit him on the road. They have absolutely NO control over him.


Now that is plain irresponsibility. That is what this thread is truely about. Those types of owners make things harder on those of us who care about our animals.

[Old Witch]

I'm in the process of buying a house and I am ALREADY having problems with my future neighbor's dog. We were walking around the property we are purchasing and their dog (a shepherd/chow) came flying off of their property with teeth bared, ears back and hackles raised right at my friends 5 year old daughter. I was ready to have to grab the dog w/ my bare hands to protect her. The neighbor called out "oh-he won't do anything he's harmless" I wanted to attach HIM w/ my bare hands. Scared the heck out of me and the little girl. Then yesterday, I was out again showing my mom-and the damn dog started to come after her! I'm worried because I have 4 little dogs that would be a snack for this creature. I think I'm going to call the animal warden and report him. They just let the dog wander around and several times I've driven by and almost hit him on the road. They have absolutely NO control over him.


Seriously, don't blame the dog, it's the owner at fault here. Call the warden, the dog should be restrained in some way......