Help With Kittens Desperately Needed.

[Lilith Morgaine]

I've asked Mol's permission and he said I should post it here....

I'm having to take on 3 kittens or else they will be killed. I've tried shelters, ASPCA, etc... and I am doing this as my last resort. I'm not looking for homes for them, as some have thought... just financial assistance....I could put all the info here, but it's all on the following page.

www.geocities.com/sasarandon/end.html (http://www.geocities.com/sasarandon/kittens.html)

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Blessed Be,
Amanda

[halfwaynowhere]

Im sorry, i seriously would help, but i'm fostering kittens too, and i'm tight on money as well... if i can come up with a few extra dollars though, i'll send them to you... thank you for taking on those kitties though, you are such a great person for that.

[Élistariel]

I wish I could help, but I'm short on cash now. I'm not part of paypal.

[Lilith Morgaine]

:bumpsmili

[ravenmyst]

sorry sweety, living pay check to pay check too, good luck though

[diamondtiger]

Shelters are generally full about 98% of the time. Have you contacted the vets in your area? Most will take a litter that size and they don't normally charge a fee. :)

[KEishin]

I can't help with $$ either, but my advice is free. I worked for a pet shelter for two years doing vet tech work, so I'll let you in on a few things that may help:

1. Check to see if there is a vet school nearby. They need to teach the students to spay/neuter somehow. :p

2. Shelters often advertise "quick fix" clincs where prices are discounted for shots and spaying.

3. While kittens should be spayed as soon as they get to 8 weeks/2 pounds, you can wait as long as six months before they are in danger of going into heat.

4. A mixture of Karo syrup and water will prompt kittens to eat if they refuse fromula. Only use this as a short term measure. Goat's milk is a btter long-term measure if you can't afford formula.

5. Important: make sure they get lots of attention; don't just leave them in a cage all day. Hold them at least 3 hours a day. They often end up at shelters becuase they are poorly socialized.

6. Here is a formula that can be used, but only temporarily: One 12 oz can of evaporated skim cows milk, One 4 oz can evaporated whole cows milk. One 4 oz container of plain yogurt. Three egg yolks. Mix well and strain. Always try to give it to them warm .

Good luck and bless you for taking care of them! Feel free to PM me if you need any advice.

[Lilith Morgaine]

I've had to change things a bit. If you'd like to make a donation (boy do I need it {sorry}) I will need you to PM me w/ your email address and send you a direct request. Thank you in advance for your kindness and generosity!

[Lilith Morgaine]

:bumpsmili

[ShamanFeather]

I can't help as at the moment I am maybe going to adopt my own and the price is not of the kittens but of the shots, etc. Thanks for the info on the vet clinic! Also there is something about 911 pets.com or something I seen and you can fill out an online form and apply for funding for spaying.

[Lilith Morgaine]

A few of you have been so very generous and the kittens and I appriciate it so very much! Thank you! Anyone who would like to help, just PM me.... we need you!

[Lilith Morgaine]

:bumpsmili

[magick186]

:fpeek:

[Lilith Morgaine]

Help is still sorely needed......

[Lilith Morgaine]

:bumpsmili
Please... I don't want to resort to begging.... but for the kittens I'll do anything....

[Lilith Morgaine]

My phone is in perril and internet as well due to the fact that I can't pay my phone bill due to these furry things, but I love them so very much and w/o me they'd be dead.....

[Lilith Morgaine]

one of the kittens is dead.... I can't handle this.....

[MorningDove030202]

You migt also consider applying for a Care Credit no interest short term credit card for vet bills.... http://www.carecredit.com/ (http://www.carecredit.com/)

There are also some no kill cat shelters, perhapse you can find one near you.

Dove

[MorningDove030202]

If they seam dehydradted you can give them gator aid. What's going on, I'm a vet assistant.....

Dove

[Lilith Morgaine]

the other 2 are fine and playing and eating.... *HUGS*

[Isil Darkmoon]

the other 2 are fine and playing and eating.... *HUGS*

Unfortunately, sometimes that happens--"fading kitten syndrome". They'll seem OK, and over a matter of hours, to several days, just... die. I lost a foster kit like that last summer--stayed up with him all night, and he died in my arms at about 5 AM. It's devistating.

A few things you might want to do as a preventative for the other two: a) get some pedialite/pedialyte, which is sold in most grocery stores for human infants. Giving them a little of that every day or two can help keep them in balance--kittens, especially young ones, can die of hypoglycemia, and this'll help. Put it in a dish like water (and pull up the water dish) if they'll drink it. If not you can syringe feed them just a little bit, of course being careful to not squirt it into the lungs. Check the color of the gums--if they're very pale, but nothing else seems wrong with the animal, it could be system shock from hypoglycemia.

Also check them carefuly for fleas--if Momcat was indoor/outdoor, the kits could have them, and flea anemia is hell on kittens.

Also, have you been checking the litterbox for worms? I'm sure thy have them--something like 95% of kittens do. Worming generally isn't done until about 6 weeks, but if the infestation is really severe, it can be done sooner since bad cases of worms can kill kittens.

Call your vet, if nothing else--advice is free, and s/he will probably have some more ideas for you.

[Isil Darkmoon]

I'd like to share something with all of you.... LadyShayne left me the following message:
If you can't afford the vet, then you can't afford the pet. Find someone to adopt them instead of being so selfish.

I've also got my two cents to add to this. While generally I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment--in fact it's somewhat of a motto/battle cry of mine--in cases like this, I can see room for an exception.

IF:
animals are unweaned and no mother or surrogate is available to feed them, or are in some similar life-threatening situation that is not actively painful
AND
there is no available space at any local shelter, rescue, or foster group (and being kitten season I believe it !)
AND
the animals are in a certain-death situation if it's not handled
AND THE ANIMAL IS NOT SUFFERING...

then yes--I think that a small chance is better than absolutely none at all. Again, this is conditional on the animal not suffering. But I do feel like giving them some chance is worthwhile.

From what I know--which is admittedly on nothing more than the word of their caretaker--this seems to me to be the situation.

Now, I will add this: if there is no near-guarantee of financial improvement in the very near future, I don't think keeping the cats past 8-9 weeks is the fairest thing to them. If it's a choice between paying bills and buying catfood, yes, they honestly should be re-homed.

However, holding onto unweaned kittens, simply for hte duration of getting them to a stage of self-sufficiency, is selflessness, not selfishness. Most potential adoptpers wouldn't be able to properly raise an infant kitten up to weaning, and that's the simple truth.

What happens *after* they hit 8 weeks and are past the biggest danger phase, though, only Lilith really knows, and that will be a decision she has to make, which the final outcome of things will depend upon.

But for now, she has my full support in trying to give these little guys what sounds like the only possible chance they'd have.

[BlueMoon13]

From what I know--which is admittedly on nothing more than the word of their caretaker--this seems to me to be the situation.

Now, I will add this: if there is no near-guarantee of financial improvement in the very near future, I don't think keeping the cats past 8-9 weeks is the fairest thing to them. If it's a choice between paying bills and buying catfood, yes, they honestly should be re-homed.

However, holding onto unweaned kittens, simply for hte duration of getting them to a stage of self-sufficiency, is selflessness, not selfishness. Most potential adoptpers wouldn't be able to properly raise an infant kitten up to weaning, and that's the simple truth.

What happens *after* they hit 8 weeks and are past the biggest danger phase, though, only Lilith really knows, and that will be a decision she has to make, which the final outcome of things will depend upon.

But for now, she has my full support in trying to give these little guys what sounds like the only possible chance they'd have.
Thank you for phrasing that much better than I would have. This girl has pointed out that SHE's willing to go WITHOUT to take care of these babies. It's easy to criticise whenyou are'nt the ones who have to look in their eyes, is'nt it.?
Even if a person can't be supportive, it's not neccesary to be mean, now is it?

[Lilith Morgaine]

Thank you for phrasing that much better than I would have. This girl has pointed out that SHE's willing to go WITHOUT to take care of these babies. It's easy to criticise whenyou are'nt the ones who have to look in their eyes, is'nt it.?
Even if a person can't be supportive, it's not neccesary to be mean, now is it?
Thank you for your kind words and understanding.....

[halfwaynowhere]

i agree completely with Isil Darkmoon... you aren't being selfish by keeping them right now, they really need you, and you have done a great job so far... don't feel bad, you are a great person to take care of these babes...

[ShamanFeather]

consider talkign to local vets to see if they do kitten placement. ours do and if you have financial strain its better if they can go to someone who can give them proper care though I'm sure you have plenty of love.

[Lilith Morgaine]

consider talkign to local vets to see if they do kitten placement. ours do and if you have financial strain its better if they can go to someone who can give them proper care though I'm sure you have plenty of love.
proper care? Are you implying it's *my* fault one died?

[ajna]

you know, if you let the vets know what you're trying to do, many will at least give you discounted service. i have a friend who will take care of kittens she finds until someone else wishes to and she has this arrangement with one of the vets in town.

[Lilith Morgaine]

how to get through this!?!?!?! *observes her empty bank acct*

[Tassana]

I've got a question: What do you do for a living that you have an empty bank account? I mean, I work in retail, yes. And my bank account isn't full, but, when it comes to my dog, I have money for her.

I'm just asking.

I'd help you out, but I don't really have the funds. I'm fostering animals myself, plus, I have a zoo. Not to mention my own dog I'm taking care of.

And, as suggested, try talking to a vet. Most vets are more then willing to help out. Especially if they see you are making an effort. It doesn't cost anything to call and talk to them. Usually, they are good at giving good advice.

I think it's great that you are working with them.

Also, they are about a month now, aren't they? Perhaps you should try feeding them some canned food. Honestly, you can start working to wean them. Then, once they are weaned, it'll be easier to get them homes. They won't take the canned food at first, but work with them. Eventually, they will.

Make sure it's kitten food, too.

[burazechan]

I would help as well... but my bank has recently been Drained.... and I have 10 dollars for this entire week. "thankfully I have enough food"

[LadyCelt]

I sent a donation. I'll try and remember to keep sending. I can't send too much but I figure what I sent might help with some food. I know the priace for feeding my cat, but not a bunch of kittens, but I think it'll help.

[Lilith Morgaine]

I sent a donation. I'll try and remember to keep sending. I can't send too much but I figure what I sent might help with some food. I know the priace for feeding my cat, but not a bunch of kittens, but I think it'll help.
Thank you so very much for your generosity....... :hearthear

[Deranged Hermit]

sending you a pm :fpeace:

[LadyCelt]

You're welcome

[Tassana]

I still haven't gotten an answer for my question.

[Shanti]

I still haven't gotten an answer for my question.

I have an answer...it really isnt none of your business what she does for a living...she didnt know in advance she was going to be rescuing these babies.
Sometimes you can try but the money just isnt enough..I have been there too and its sucks when you feel attacked for trying even when its past your means.

She could of let them all die...she didnt, she took a burden know one else wanted!

[Lilith Morgaine]

I have an answer...it really isnt none of your business what she does for a living...she didnt know in advance she was going to be rescuing these babies.
Sometimes you can try but the money just isnt enough..I have been there too and its sucks when you feel attacked for trying even when its past your means.

She could of let them all die...she didnt, she took a burden know one else wanted!
My thoughts EXACTLY!!!!!!:atantrum:

SHANTI....:smoochypo:yourock:

[Tassana]

FYI, I'm in animal rescue. I work with an animal rescue group. I , too, know what it means to take on animals when you don't have a lot of pocket money, or money period.

I also work in retail making little more then minimum wage. I barely have enough to buy my dog food and pay my cellphone bill. Luckily, I live in a house with other people who can help me, even though, I don't ask them to.

I don't know why you think I was trying to attack her when I asked a simple question. And gave her advice! She wants so desparately to help these kittens, well, I wanna help them too. I can't give her money, so I'm doing the next best thing. But, so far, she hasn't really mentioned taking anyone's advice. She completely ignored my post, probably rolled her eyes when she read it.

And I would rather her answer me then you come along and defend her. She is old enough to defend herself, I believe. You defending her defeats the whole purpose.

I do not believe I was unreasonable in my request.

Even if she doesn't have a job. That's understandable too, and nothing to be ashamed of. I've been down that road, too.

Perhaps I am being a little too harsh, but I don't think I am. I mean, people giving her money are getting tons of "thanks." But, she's completely overlooking those who give her advice. Unless she's doing it and just not telling us. But, I honestly don't think she is, unless she herself says so.

And you're right. It's none of my business. My only concern is those kittens. Do I believe she is doing a good deed? Most definantly. Do I believe she needs all the help she can get? Certainly.

It was an innocent question. If I were to attack her, you would know it. Everyone would know it. Do not presume something that is not true.

And yes, I believe you think I attacked her. What makes me say this?

"its sucks when you feel attacked for trying even when its past your means."

Those are your words, honey.

Now point out to me where I "attacked" her.

[Lilith Morgaine]

FYI, I'm in animal rescue. I work with an animal rescue group. I , too, know what it means to take on animals when you don't have a lot of pocket money, or money period.

I also work in retail making little more then minimum wage. I barely have enough to buy my dog food and pay my cellphone bill. Luckily, I live in a house with other people who can help me, even though, I don't ask them to.

I don't know why you think I was trying to attack her when I asked a simple question. And gave her advice! She wants so desparately to help these kittens, well, I wanna help them too. I can't give her money, so I'm doing the next best thing. But, so far, she hasn't really mentioned taking anyone's advice. She completely ignored my post, probably rolled her eyes when she read it.

And I would rather her answer me then you come along and defend her. She is old enough to defend herself, I believe. You defending her defeats the whole purpose.

I do not believe I was unreasonable in my request.

Even if she doesn't have a job. That's understandable too, and nothing to be ashamed of. I've been down that road, too.

Perhaps I am being a little too harsh, but I don't think I am. I mean, people giving her money are getting tons of "thanks." But, she's completely overlooking those who give her advice. Unless she's doing it and just not telling us. But, I honestly don't think she is, unless she herself says so.

And you're right. It's none of my business. My only concern is those kittens. Do I believe she is doing a good deed? Most definantly. Do I believe she needs all the help she can get? Certainly.

It was an innocent question. If I were to attack her, you would know it. Everyone would know it. Do not presume something that is not true.

And yes, I believe you think I attacked her. What makes me say this?

"its sucks when you feel attacked for trying even when its past your means."

Those are your words, honey.

Now point out to me where I "attacked" her.

Please don't attack Shanti for trying to defend me... it's what friends do.... I'm sorry if I neglected to thank those who have offered advice... I really do appriciate it. I followed quite a bit of it and it's been very helpful.
Please let's not fight over this..... :fpeace:

[Tassana]

Please don't attack Shanti for trying to defend me... it's what friends do.... I'm sorry if I neglected to thank those who have offered advice... I really do appriciate it. I followed quite a bit of it and it's been very helpful.
Please let's not fight over this..... :fpeace:
It was never my intention to attack anyone. She started this when she assumed I was attacking you. If she apologizes to me, I'll let it drop. But, I will not tolerate someone accusing me of something I did not do.

And honestly, Morgaine. I want an apology from you too. I read my pm and that was unnecessary. Being that she is your friend and she insulted me and you agreed with her. I feel I'm entitled to an apology from both of you. And if anyone thinks I'm wrong on this, I want you to speak up and tell me.

[burazechan]

I see how it was insulting. A friend does not just jump in and start slashing -_- I reread and reread this all over and over wondering how it was called an assult, you too morgaine added to the fire. You should have let it die completely. It was YOUR decision to say yay or nay to the question. So in honesty, I dont see this as something that would have started unless YOU felt attacked, then you should have taken responsability to figure out with Tass if she was attacking you or not. Calling this as it was was more insulting to Tass.

I am ashamed at this specticle.

[Shanti]

Hey I am sorry but getting pushy about ones employment seems intrusive and the remark about..I can feed my dog...seemed to be a sugar coated way of saying..you can find a way to feed them or you shouldnt have them. That was how it 'seemed'.

I may be a little overly protective...but LM is trying as best she can...what she is doing is quite hard especially when you loose one.

I am sorry. I could of handled myself better. I reacted instead of thought through for the appropriate words.

[burazechan]

Lets keep working on ways to help LM then. ^^ Your explaination does help proove your point. But sometimes it's just best to over look it. And in all honesty, type of work isn't really intrusive. It's a common type of subject between those who just met. I work at a Deli, why would I be afraid to say I do? ^^ it looks like a bit of paranoia for your friend.

Remember, if I ever sound like I am attacking anyone, bring it to me first before lashing out. Being calm in a situation is the first step to victory after all ;)

[Tassana]

Like I said. I never meant to insult or insinuate anything. If that is how it was taken, then I apologize.

I was just curious, that was all. And when she ignored me, I got a little offended. Thus the reason I made the comment, "I still never got an answer."

Just stay calm. There's no reason to get offended or anything. If I say something that's meaning to be offensive, you'll know it. Trust me.

[Lilith Morgaine]

Ok... Peace to you all......

[Njorun Alma]

I've asked Mol's permission and he said I should post it here....

I'm having to take on 3 kittens or else they will be killed. I've tried shelters, ASPCA, etc... and I am doing this as my last resort. I'm not looking for homes for them, as some have thought... just financial assistance....I could put all the info here, but it's all on the following page.

www.geocities.com/sasarandon/end.html (http://www.geocities.com/sasarandon/kittens.html)


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Blessed Be,
Amanda

I really really wish I could help, but I am so short on money, seeing how I need it all to take care of myself since I'm basically being kicked out from my mothers place and having to live on my own. If I felt like I could afford it, believe me, I'd give you whatever I could. What you're doing is totally admirable.

[Lilith Morgaine]

UPDATE: Things are "ok"..... were surviving.... it's rough, but it's worth it.... please keep the prayers coming and if you'd like to donate please pm me
*HUGS*