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Sequoia
June 28th, 2005, 02:49 PM
This isn't supposed to be anything like a fight or a flame. It is a simple survey of race/ethnicity present at MW. :)

BTW... Although I'm quite sure you're proud of your Irish-Witch heritage, you are still of the race "White". ;) No distinction between those of European (or mostly European) descent. You're still of the racial catagory, White.

Races listed are heavily based on the US Census Bureau. No serious "Other" listed, because frankly, you are 99% likely to fit into one of those catagories. If you are of mixed heritage, please round to the nearest race ;)

I'm curious to see what our population is like!

Penthesilea
June 28th, 2005, 02:53 PM
I'm Caucasian. Scots, Irish, English & German nationalities contributed to this all-American hybrid.

Athena-Nadine
June 28th, 2005, 02:53 PM
I am 75% white (IE) and 25% black. I do choose "Other" on these things if it's available. If not, I don't fill them out at all.

evie_mun
June 28th, 2005, 02:53 PM
100% pure-bred European mutt here.

White.

Haruka2077
June 28th, 2005, 02:55 PM
White (mostly Scottish)

XanderAmon
June 28th, 2005, 02:56 PM
Oh-so-white. Yay mutts!

Brenda
June 28th, 2005, 02:58 PM
White (Belgian to be exact :huh: )

ApollaJade
June 28th, 2005, 02:59 PM
White and Native American _tomatoe_

-edit- but I voted white because you're a brat an I can't exactly vote mixed because the poll option for that is too specific!!!!!

VioletPuddle
June 28th, 2005, 02:59 PM
I'm Caucasian. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/LollipopRainbow/Theyre%20Free/Emoticons/File268.gif

Tzhebee
June 28th, 2005, 02:59 PM
I'm pretty darn white....scottish/irish/german mutt.

But my SO is an "other". 1/8 Native American, 1/2 Puerto Rican (whatever you do...don't call him a mexican :lol: ), balance: mexican/caucasian mutt.

And that 1/8 matters ALOT when he applies for things like college admitance, so asking not to include 8ths is kinda, I don't know...wrong.

Sequoia
June 28th, 2005, 03:00 PM
Oop, seems the thread posted before the poll. *laughs*

Earthy
June 28th, 2005, 03:01 PM
White. 1/2 English and 1/2 irish :D

Kailen
June 28th, 2005, 03:07 PM
lessee I'm a mix of: sicilian, maltese, english, french, scottish, norweigan and portugese..and probably a few other things

~Jack~
June 28th, 2005, 03:09 PM
White.
Irish and proud. ;)

Amethyst Rose
June 28th, 2005, 03:10 PM
I am a heinz 57 for sure..... English, french, german (1/4), scottish, Blackfoot (1/8th).... so, yeah.... White.

gwendar
June 28th, 2005, 03:11 PM
White.
I don't know where my ancestors come from (So I can't say I'm part Irish, German, etc.)... I'm gonna find that out one of these days, just for curiosity's sake!

Karma Chameleon
June 28th, 2005, 03:12 PM
I voted White.

I'm 1/2 Danish, 1/4 German, and 1/4 French.

Ishtara
June 28th, 2005, 03:12 PM
White. I am half-French, half-Belgian.

Morr
June 28th, 2005, 03:13 PM
Well, I live in Israel and was born here, but my ancestors come from: Russia, Romania, Austria and Poland. I also have a bit of Argentinian in there as well.

So I guess an Eastern European Mutt.

Limey
June 28th, 2005, 03:15 PM
I'm white. I have german, french, danish and irish blood. Couldn't tell you what percentages, couldn't really care. As far as I'm concerned I'm English, much simpler

WinterTree
June 28th, 2005, 03:16 PM
White girl here.

1/4 German, 1/4 Italian, 1/16 Cherokee and that's basically all I know.

Charise
June 28th, 2005, 03:18 PM
white here too..

German, Irish and some indian on my dad's side (I think??)...

Kaylara
June 28th, 2005, 03:21 PM
White Euro-Mutt here. Hungarian, Slovakian, French, Russian, Polish, Irish, Swedish.

SilentDreams
June 28th, 2005, 03:22 PM
Euro-mutt

French, Italian, German

Silent
June 28th, 2005, 03:28 PM
I am icelandic-white.A direct descent of the icelandic vikings.

MoonDust
June 28th, 2005, 03:34 PM
Looks like I'm the only latina right now. Mexican-American.

Teresa
June 28th, 2005, 03:35 PM
Mixed: Cherokee, and other things

Nighthawk
June 28th, 2005, 03:46 PM
White.. I am Irishh/Scottish/ Russian and American Indian. I was eraised by a full blood and much time on the reservation.

LadyAutumnCat
June 28th, 2005, 03:58 PM
Hispanic/Latina - Spain and Uruguay

Sequoia
June 28th, 2005, 04:08 PM
Another White girl here - heritage is mostly Scott/Irish/pick-a-British-isle... and supposedly a pinch of German. I'm here doubting it, though. :lol:

Oh... and supposedly some grandfather somewhere back married "a squaw" *shudders*, of which the only sign I show is a particular resistance to poison oak. :whatgives

Aidron
June 28th, 2005, 04:12 PM
White as white can be, and to the best of my knowledge I am mostly Irish, Scottish and Walesh.

Mòrag Elasaid Ní Dhòmhnaill
June 28th, 2005, 04:19 PM
I have to agree that with American Indian bloodlines, 1/8 really does matter in the States, when it comes to a lot of programs. Of course, your grandmother has to allow it to be put on your mother's birth certificate for it to count. My grandfather was Cherokee.

By the standards you put on there, I would say Caucasian because I'm Scots-Irish (which is not the same as Scottish and Irish seperately - it is distinct), Scottish, German, French, Cherokee, and Cree.

Catiana
June 28th, 2005, 04:25 PM
Caucasian - of irish,scottish, welsh decent

maphdet
June 28th, 2005, 04:32 PM
Hmmm...I think I would be other ...I am half Russian and half Greek .
I'm pretty sure thats not considered white , but I'm not sure .

Faeawyn
June 28th, 2005, 04:33 PM
race = Human :D

Malcolm
June 28th, 2005, 04:35 PM
1/2 German 1/2 Norwegian or so I'm told. I haven't done any geneology of my own yet.

Although If my ability to consume alcohol is any indication of heritage...their right.

Kupava
June 28th, 2005, 04:41 PM
Belorussian/Gypsy/Tatar

dont really know what that makes me, a mutt I guess
I can look either white or latin, depending on my tan LOL

Caffiend
June 28th, 2005, 04:45 PM
White.
I don't know where my ancestors come from (So I can't say I'm part Irish, German, etc.)... I'm gonna find that out one of these days, just for curiosity's sake! Ditto, what she said!

Wolfkraft
June 28th, 2005, 04:51 PM
50% Armenian/50% Russian.

Xentor
June 28th, 2005, 04:54 PM
race = Human :D

Join the club!

Apart from human, I'm also an earthling, a european, and a dutchman.

AuroraSilvermist
June 28th, 2005, 04:58 PM
My dad is Norwegian.
My mom is German with some Croatian thrown in for fun.
Hubby is German/Irish with a wee bit of French.

This makes our children mutts of the finest caliber. ;)

KellyP
June 28th, 2005, 05:03 PM
I put white because I believe European settlers to account for most of my genetics. However, I have no real idea and basically just settle for the title American, which though it is not a race is probably the closest thing I can state with certainty.

farm girl
June 28th, 2005, 05:30 PM
White (most Russian & Norwegian).... 1/4 Indonesian.

Pol
June 28th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Middle Eastern is listed as White or Caucasian?

I'm white, I suppose. My grandmother's British, married an American mutt, and my mom married an American mutt with strong germanic and a lot of native in the background.

Strega Del Vento
June 28th, 2005, 06:53 PM
White here. Kind of got screwed in the pigment department, being that I'm a full-blooded Sicilian. I blind people when I'm wearing shorts--I'm THAT white.

Pol
June 28th, 2005, 06:54 PM
and a dutchman.

Are you Flying?

Faye
June 28th, 2005, 07:35 PM
My mother is from Malaysia (but is Chinese rather than Malay.), Dad is British.

Gwenhwyfar
June 28th, 2005, 07:46 PM
white . Irish and Indian mix.

Galaxia
June 28th, 2005, 07:53 PM
Ω

semi
June 28th, 2005, 07:57 PM
I am of the human race physically, that race of furless apes who think they're so damn smart, and I'm a 50/50 Irish/German split ethnically. But my skin is sort of swarthy and my hair is dark and curly which caused a Black woman to comment to me just a couple days ago, "You got some spook in you somewhere, baby." Maybe I'm Black Irish. I don't know. And I don't really care about my or anyone elses ethnicity one way or the other. All the different flavors of people make the world a more beautiful place.

farm girl
June 28th, 2005, 07:58 PM
Hmmm...I think I would be other ...I am half Russian and half Greek .
I'm pretty sure thats not considered white , but I'm not sure .

You would be caucasian. (what people consider white, though that isn't always the case)

CoolJ
June 28th, 2005, 08:02 PM
I'm whiter than a stormtrooper in the sun

EponaCapaill
June 28th, 2005, 08:02 PM
Race: Caucasian, Ethnic Heritage: Irish/Scottish with a smidge of Hungarian/German

SilverClaw
June 28th, 2005, 08:03 PM
For me it is Irish/ German and then on my dads side of the family it include Norweigen and Finnish.

Evendusk
June 28th, 2005, 08:10 PM
White. Irish, German, Dutch, French and a smidgen of others.

ravenmyst
June 28th, 2005, 08:38 PM
will go with human, rarely feel it though. My Mother is Danish/Irish/German, biological donar is/was 1/2 to 1/4 Apache and the rest Scotch Irish, but unable to document the Native as it was due to rape, so I am unable to prove quotent.

arienh
June 28th, 2005, 09:01 PM
I'm whiter than a stormtrooper in the sun

:yayah:

I'm white, don't really know specifics though. I think some English, Irish, Welsh and German but I'm not sure.

BTW I just realised I really hate how people are using the word mutt. I can't really explain why, it just seems so insulting. Does anyone know what I mean?

QUEEN OF THE DAMNED
June 28th, 2005, 09:04 PM
I'm a euro-mutt......that cracked me up.....well I'm more of a Brit-mutt :smile:
A bit of Irish, Scottish and English all mixed together in my heritage. My family has been in Australia for a fair while though, for at least 7 generations.

I cant find it in my family tree but there must be some other ethnic background because a few of us (including me) in my family have very olive skin.

Toki Wartooth
June 28th, 2005, 09:05 PM
I am half-White/half-Hispanic.

Dad's 'American'--his family originated from England and Wales.

Mom's Peruvian--her family's been in Peru since forever, descendant of the Incas. :)

Trithemius
June 28th, 2005, 09:14 PM
I'm mostly English with some Pennsylvania Dutch thrown in, and according to a couple of my aunts, we have some American Indian in the family.

Flaire-FireStar
June 28th, 2005, 09:25 PM
Mostly white.

Findarto
June 28th, 2005, 09:37 PM
I voted mixed, but I'm not white and black.
I'm still mixed...

OldSoulsBody
June 28th, 2005, 09:41 PM
I'm not "mostly" anything. I'm a perfect 50-50 mutt. Both my parents are pure breeds- my mother 100% Ukrainian, my father 100% Puerto-Rican.
Typically, I check the hispanic box on forms. Unfortunately, this gets me more in loans/grants. I wish things didn't have to be so black and white, as most individuals are at least of 2 different backgrounds.

I often wonder what they're going to do with the race issues with future generations. We're such a melting pot as it is that things are getting kinda confused. I think we're pretty much all "others" as it is.....

Findarto
June 28th, 2005, 09:47 PM
I'm not "mostly" anything. I'm a perfect 50-50 mutt. Both my parents are pure breeds- my mother 100% Ukrainian, my father 100% Puerto-Rican.
Typically, I check the hispanic box on forms. Unfortunately, this gets me more in loans/grants. I wish things didn't have to be so black and white, as most individuals are at least of 2 different backgrounds.

I often wonder what they're going to do with the race issues with future generations. We're such a melting pot as it is that things are getting kinda confused. I think we're pretty much all "others" as it is.....
I'm Puerto Rican too :P.

9-2-2
June 28th, 2005, 10:30 PM
<--- = European + Asian + Israeli

maldito
June 28th, 2005, 11:11 PM
I'm mexican, and like most of mexicans -wanted to admit it or not-, I'm a big mix of ethnicities, and in my case is so diluted that you can't follow a trace. I wish I could cary more indian blood to say "I'm proud of my otomi -or chichimeca or nahuatl or what ever- ascendanse", but I'm afraid that's not possible. But so, I proudly say I'm of mexican race

Dark Phoenix
June 28th, 2005, 11:23 PM
I am Italian,German,Polish,Irish and French-Canadian, in other words I'm just a mutt.

ap Dafydd
June 29th, 2005, 07:43 AM
I _always_ answer "other" on these things and write in that I'm Welsh. That's enough for me. Colour of my skin's none of your business or anyone else's either for that.

gwyn eich byd

Ffred

Lewen
June 29th, 2005, 08:01 AM
On my dad's side, it's english and irish, on my mother's side, it's German and english.

My kids are more mutts then I am by their respective fathers.

I'm soooo pale that I glow in the dark too... :ghostie: <------accurate depiction of Lewen's tan on a GOOD day... heh heh... :abanana:

Cassie
June 29th, 2005, 09:24 AM
English/Irish on one side, English/Italian on the other.

~*Ginger*~
June 29th, 2005, 10:37 AM
I'm 1/8 Cherokee, all on female side from my great-grand mother. (Maternal)

I have 7 generations of Geneology work done on the Surname side of the Family.
And several generations done along the different lines...

My great-great-great-grandparents are the same people on both sides. (Paternal & Maternal) so I'm either full-blooded or highly imbreded.

Grandfather always said we were through-bred's.

The line that goes back 7 generations (paternal) came from England, could tell you where, but it's packed up...not going there.

There is some Swiss in there some where to.

Maybe that's where my coloring comes from.
I don't look anything like my other family member's as far as coloring goes.

Everyone else is dark haired and dark eyed. There are a few blondes with dark eyes.

Hey! Did ya'll know that there are blonde, blue-eyed indians?! They live in Mexico, I believe, up on some mountain...

FaerieGothMommy
June 29th, 2005, 11:19 AM
White caucasion

I have bits n bobs in my family :lol: like irish, welsh, scottish....

FaerieLuma
June 29th, 2005, 11:30 AM
I'm Puerto Rican too :P.
Me too!!:smile:

WitchJezebel
June 29th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Puerto Rican here and I can make a mean pot of beans with rice!

Akhkharu Asgard
June 29th, 2005, 01:41 PM
I'm all manly caucasian. :ghostie:

Finnish on one side and Irish and German on the other.

Old Witch
June 29th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Native American and white...Mom, Cherokee....Dad, Scots Irish...........

memnoch
June 29th, 2005, 03:27 PM
why am I not surprised by the results of this poll

WitchJezebel
June 29th, 2005, 03:37 PM
why am I not surprised by the results of this poll

and that means..........?

Sionnach le Fey
June 29th, 2005, 03:39 PM
White and English here, with a bit of Irish in there somewhere :hmmmmm:

memnoch
June 29th, 2005, 04:34 PM
and that means..........?

that a majority of pagans are of caucasian decent...its not surprising, this is one of many times where a stereotype is accurate

Élistariel
June 29th, 2005, 05:10 PM
that a majority of pagans are of caucasian decent...its not surprising, this is one of many times where a stereotype is accurate

Do you honestly think this one poll in this one forum is a good indicator of all pagans out there?

I am white. Literally. If a ship got lost I could just stand at a high point and let the moonlight reflect off of me.
Mom's side: Irish, Italian (haven't found those ancestors yet), German, English, Welsh, French, Swedish, Dutch, German, Native American (haven't found them either), Scottish, may have forgotten a few...
Dad's side:
Dad's mom: I'm sure of some English ancestry. Dad's mom's mom claimed African American... then again she was 90, and when asked about it the next day had no clue what my Dad was talking about. She's passed on.
Dad's dad: uh... white or some sort. He was adopted. His birth surname is English, other than that, NO clue.

memnoch
June 29th, 2005, 05:15 PM
Do you honestly think this one poll in this one forum is a good indicator of all pagans out there?

I am white. Literally. If a ship got lost I could just stand at a high point and let the moonlight reflect off of me.
Mom's side: Irish, Italian (haven't found those ancestors yet), German, English, Welsh, French, Swedish, Dutch, German, Native American (haven't found them either), Scottish, may have forgotten a few...
Dad's side:
Dad's mom: I'm sure of some English ancestry. Dad's mom's mom claimed African American... then again she was 90, and when asked about it the next day had no clue what my Dad was talking about. She's passed on.
Dad's dad: uh... white or some sort. He was adopted. His birth surname is English, other than that, NO clue.

I think any poll taken that can be accessed from any point in the world will have a similar result

halfwaynowhere
June 29th, 2005, 05:17 PM
my race is white. my nationality is native american. my ethnicity is a mixture of the two. the three terms, race, ethnicity, and nationality, all have different meanings. race deals with physical appearance. ethnicity is a cultural thing, nothing to do with bloodlines, and nationality is what part of the world you (or your ancestors) are from.

Lunacie
June 29th, 2005, 05:29 PM
:hairred: I'm so white I can burn in the noonday sun in less than 15 minutes - ouch... a mixture of a lot of white nationalities.

My ex was 1/4 Cherokee. His paternal gramma was full-blood Cherokee. Which means that our daughter is 1/8th Cherokee. It takes her 30 minutes to get a sunburn at midday. :hearteyes

Sequoia
June 29th, 2005, 05:33 PM
that a majority of Peoples are of caucasian decent...its not surprising, this is one of many times where a stereotype is accurate
Oh come now, Mem... reguardless of whether or not it's true, don't start the argument in this thread. I'd like to keep the survey open.

(Go start another thread about it if you like... I'm sure it'll be popular, or closed very quickly.)

memnoch
June 29th, 2005, 05:55 PM
Oh come now, Mem... reguardless of whether or not it's true, don't start the argument in this thread. I'd like to keep the survey open.

(Go start another thread about it if you like... I'm sure it'll be popular, or closed very quickly.)

sorry...what is it with trouble following me wherever I go

sarabethv
June 29th, 2005, 09:35 PM
Sorry you don't want it but I am very proud of my 1/8 from my great grandmother and I put it down on the d*** census too.

I am Cherokee, Castillian and Scott - however I don't know what the other half is due to adoption.

enchancea
June 29th, 2005, 09:47 PM
Im a White Mutt. Dutch/Irish/Native American/German and thats only my grandfathers side of the family. Cant wait to see what I come up with when I do the other sides.

WokeUpDead
June 29th, 2005, 10:14 PM
We're pretty white.

LadyTrinity
June 29th, 2005, 10:31 PM
I voted Latino but im not latino. Im portuguese. But also canadian.. most people say Im white. :whatgives

BlackMagicalCat
June 29th, 2005, 11:14 PM
Hey,you forgot Otherkin

Grey
June 30th, 2005, 01:27 AM
Hey,you forgot Otherkin
I believe shes looking for biological ancestry azzeenasman. Your spirit may not be human but if your typing on a keyboard 10,000:1 your somewhere in those catagories yes?

I dont know... does 1/4 Cheroke count? thats a fairly large percentage... *shrug* also 1/4: Scottish, German and Portugese... which interestingly enough led the recruiter for the nazy to put down latino and native american? *confused*

notmemnoch
June 30th, 2005, 04:46 AM
I am caucasian, as are most pagans here it seems

HorseCrow
June 30th, 2005, 05:04 AM
Viking here :D

notmemnoch
June 30th, 2005, 05:05 AM
Viking here :D

I'm of germanic decent, and they are spead out, so I would be a mix between viking and goth

SphinYote
June 30th, 2005, 11:05 AM
EuroMutt: Frech, German, Irish, English, Scottish, possibly a bit Norwegian, Danish, Belgium, and there is the slight possibility of a drop or two of Native American (this is unknown, though).

Sequoia
June 30th, 2005, 12:17 PM
Hey,you forgot Otherkin
Otherkin is a belief, not a physical race or bloodline.


Sorry you don't want it but I am very proud of my 1/8 from my great grandmother and I put it down on the d*** census too.
That's great, nice. I don't know, myself, I'd be more proud of the grandmother than of the supposition that being 1/8th anything makes me entirely that something. If I had a great-grandmother who was from Africa, but the rest of my family since then had been white, you'd be durned sure I'd look, sound, and be considered, white.

Then again, a lot of this heritage stuff is all about feeling good. When you come down to it, you're really only from your country and social class.


I am Cherokee, Castillian and Scott - however I don't know what the other half is due to adoption.
So you're really proud of that 1/8th... but... you aren't concerned about that other 1/2 of you? :huh: :whatmewor


Ahh, such is the nature of struggling to find something significant in one's family. I kinda see myself and my *living* relatives as a bit more impacting on my life and this world, wouldn't you? :chatty:

Amryn
June 30th, 2005, 12:28 PM
White. English, Irish, Scottish, Swiss, German, French, Spanish, and a dash of African-American.

DixieWitch
June 30th, 2005, 12:56 PM
I'm white, but my heritage is Cajun. If you want to break it down, my dad's side is French and my mom's side is French and Indian. I always though there was Spanish on my dad's side, but not so according to my grandmother. But I think otherwise because I've traced my family roots back and the Manuels came from Spain!!

~*Ginger*~
June 30th, 2005, 02:33 PM
hmmm...
Well, I didn't enter a vote in the poll, strickly from the way this option is worded. (I find it disrespectful.) *shrugs*
Native (American, Alaskan, Aborigional, etc) (PLEASE no "I'm 1/8 Indian so I'm Native!" PLEASE)
Reason being, according to every Native American I've ever talked to on the subject of percentages of bloodline was always told that the NA, did not count any type of Native American blood to a percentage, if the blood is there, the blood is there, and therefore according to them that live amoung themselves, we are just as much Native American as they themself!

Actually pretty cool on open minded thinking as far as I'm conserned!
Just because my Indian blood has been watered down by caucasian blood, does not mean that the things I feel, and are drawn to, are any less because of that...

So yes, no matter whether anyone else may agree, or even like it, I am Native American, as well as a few other things, and damn proud of it!

Sequoia
June 30th, 2005, 03:02 PM
The reason I have it worded that way is because I have met WAY too many people who live completely secular, mainstream lives, obviously have NO ties other than "a family member back there somewhere", and yet want to go on mystical vision quests and claim government grants and suggest that they are somehow more spiritual than thou, etc etc. But more to the point, these are all examples of the cultural relevence, and have nothing to do with physical race.

Basically, if you were 1/8th of African descent, and 7/8ths of European descent, I highly doubt anyone in their right mind would identify you as African-American. You'd be as white as anyone around you.

If you are genetically only 1/8th 'native American', you are genetically 7/8ths Something Else, and that is a pretty large majority.

Culture is different than Race.

Sorry if that bothers you. :wave:

WynterWynd
June 30th, 2005, 04:46 PM
I am a Euro-Mutt!:D Irish, German, and what ever else fell into the family pot from way back when:p

saya
June 30th, 2005, 08:52 PM
Haha, euro-mutt xD That would be me! I'm very German and Irish

~*Ginger*~
July 1st, 2005, 08:23 AM
I got to thinking about this, and remembered that there is Welch in there mixed in somewhere...


I'm 1/8 Cherokee, all on female side from my great-grand mother. (Maternal)

I have 7 generations of Geneology work done on the Surname side of the Family.
And several generations done along the different lines...

My great-great-great-grandparents are the same people on both sides. (Paternal & Maternal) so I'm either full-blooded or highly imbreded.

Grandfather always said we were through-bred's.

The line that goes back 7 generations (paternal) came from England, could tell you where, but it's packed up...not going there.

There is some Swiss in there some where to.

Maybe that's where my coloring comes from.
I don't look anything like my other family member's as far as coloring goes.

Everyone else is dark haired and dark eyed. There are a few blondes with dark eyes.

Hey! Did ya'll know that there are blonde, blue-eyed indians?! They live in Mexico, I believe, up on some mountain...

I'm not bothered.
Sometimes when I express myself, it may seem as in just 'reading' that I may be upset, or bothered, when actually I'm not.
Just expressing myself, that's all...


Culture is different than Race.
Yes, culture is different than race...

If I were answering what culture do you come from?

My answer would be:
First 16 year's in service Army Brat, Military issue.
Deeply infulenced by southern back ground.
Lately, southern culture.

So there is a difference in race & culture...
:D

materra
July 1st, 2005, 11:06 AM
Basically, if you were 1/8th of African descent, and 7/8ths of European descent, I highly doubt anyone in their right mind would identify you as African-American. You'd be as white as anyone around you.

If you are genetically only 1/8th 'native American', you are genetically 7/8ths Something Else, and that is a pretty large majority.

Culture is different than Race.

Sorry if that bothers you. :wave:

I suspect you haven't lived in the "deep south" of the United States of America, South Africa or other countries where race is measured in "drops of blood" not percentages. *shivers* And changes your life in many ways that are not pleasant.

I voted so you could have an accurate poll, but please realize many of us are proud of those eights, 1/16ths and other "smidgens" of other races. I know I have a black ancestor due to a physical legacy (Thanks for telling us doctor). I also know I have a Mongolian ancestor due to... you got it! Another physical legacy. :)

While I don't go out looking for any kind of handout or spritual gain from these "snippets" of difference...I still know about them and am proud of my ancestors.

Sequoia
July 1st, 2005, 12:36 PM
I suspect you haven't lived in the "deep south" of the United States of America, South Africa or other countries where race is measured in "drops of blood" not percentages. *shivers* And changes your life in many ways that are not pleasant.
There are so many reasons I'd never move to the 'deep south', it's not even funny.


I voted so you could have an accurate poll, but please realize many of us are proud of those eights, 1/16ths and other "smidgens" of other races. I know I have a black ancestor due to a physical legacy (Thanks for telling us doctor). I also know I have a Mongolian ancestor due to... you got it! Another physical legacy. :)

While I don't go out looking for any kind of handout or spritual gain from these "snippets" of difference...I still know about them and am proud of my ancestors.
And don't get me wrong - I think it's neato that I have pretty redheads in my family, and that any sons I have will likely have bright orange hair. (It's this freakishly reaccurant genetic line; all the boys have orange hair as children. :foh: ) But that doesn't change the fact that my race is "White", you know?

I mean... it's really cool that you have a mongolian ancestor, but do you consider yourself Asian? And that African ancestor, neat stuff there! But do you consider yourself Black? If a person went around statistically collecting data by just looking at you, would he think you were black?

That's what I mean by race. *gentle shrug* It isn't to insult anyone. It's just to get an idea of the people who come here.

Frankly, culture is more significant. But it's a helluva lot harder to make a poll about "what culture do you come from?", and in general (and general meaning generalized), certain races tend to similar culture-wise.

Another part of the "no 1/8ths please" thing was this: If you're only 1/8ths something (say, native american), the chance that you were raised with those beliefs and culture is rather slim. I may be close to 1/2 Scottish, due to the way a couple marriages worked out after immigration :p , but I sure as heck don't speak gaelic, aren't Catholic, and don't have a particular affinity for faeries or special powers. Just the same, someone who is 1/8th african or 1/8th native american may have that "blood", IE the ancestral genetics of that race, but they have almost nothing to do with said race, or even preconcieved notions of that race. Chances are, they were raised as a member of whatever race they are predominantly. That's why the "no 1/8ths" thing is in there.

From a genetical point of view, having 1/8th of a particular heritage probably has very little influence on your physical features (unless we're talking about a dominant trait like red hair), and is more there to be "feel good" or as a geneological factiod.

Élistariel
July 1st, 2005, 12:47 PM
Red hair isn't dominant.

In order of dominance:
Black
Brown
Blonde/Red

Last I read, scientists were still up for debate on which was dominant over the other, red or blonde.

My mom comes from a line of brown and redheads. She was born redhead and later darkened to brown. (she got white streaks at 21, had me at 23).
My father has VERY dark brown hair, almost black. He comes from a family of brown and black haired people.
I have medium brown hair. I looked on a haidye box once, my hair seems to be espresso.

Sequoia
July 1st, 2005, 01:22 PM
Red hair isn't dominant.

In order of dominance:
Black
Brown
Blonde/Red

Last I read, scientists were still up for debate on which was dominant over the other, red or blonde.

My mom comes from a line of brown and redheads. She was born redhead and later darkened to brown. (she got white streaks at 21, had me at 23).
My father has VERY dark brown hair, almost black. He comes from a family of brown and black haired people.
I have medium brown hair. I looked on a haidye box once, my hair seems to be espresso.
It was an example. :hehehehe: In my family, it runs dominant in the males. Generation after generation. It's freaky. :p

Dextra
July 1st, 2005, 01:24 PM
I be a paleface.

And Sequoia is asking a reasonable question here. If you fill out a census form, they don't give two tugs of a dead dog's tail whether you have a quarter of this nationality or an eighth of that tribe's blood in you. It's all very interesting, but she's obviously just going for the basics here. No need to get all up in a huff over it.

StarCraftLia
July 1st, 2005, 03:16 PM
I'm half Greek.

Haruka2077
July 1st, 2005, 06:44 PM
I may be close to 1/2 Scottish, due to the way a couple marriages worked out after immigration :p , but I sure as heck don't speak gaelic, aren't Catholic, and don't have a particular affinity for faeries or special powers.

Completely off-topic and pointless, but most Scots aren't Catholic, they're Protestant- Presbyterian, traditionally.
(Please ignore me, just picking nits. Carry on. ;) )

Sequoia
July 1st, 2005, 07:08 PM
Completely off-topic and pointless, but most Scots aren't Catholic, they're Protestant- Presbyterian, traditionally.
(Please ignore me, just picking nits. Carry on. ;) )
Oops, sorry! Was thinking of my Irish heritage, there. :lol:

donatello51
July 1st, 2005, 07:35 PM
I am half white and half amer indian. I fill out any questions asked as amer indian. I think of myself as amer indian. I side with the amer indians over the whites. I am proud to be amer indian. I am not proud of being white. When the world ends it will be those who act white and think white who will cause it. Technology... dispoiling Mother Earth... following false gods or goddesses to death... loving money and wealth over nature. I am definately not white. I'm not speaking only skin color or even skin color at all. I'm talking mind set... spiritual and emotional as well as community I am part of. I am of light not darkness. White nor red nor yellow nor black nor brown does not equal light.

Karma Chameleon
July 1st, 2005, 07:40 PM
When the world ends it will be those who act white and think white who will cause it. Technology... dispoiling Mother Earth... following false gods or goddesses to death... loving money and wealth over nature.


So what, you like associate all White folks with nuclear war and technological apocalyse or something? I think I would be banned or at least been chastised if I had said something like what you just said but exchanged the word White for Jew, or Black, or anyother race/ethinicity.



And what do you mean by false gods and goddesses?

gurlygurl2004
July 1st, 2005, 10:03 PM
Well I'm white, I'm a Caucasion mutt, I may also Native American in me. (Multi tribe I think) I think I have mostly UK/Great Britain blood in me, with a little German, Dutch, and Molugen. So in my own way I'm multiracial.

gurlygurl2004
July 2nd, 2005, 05:56 PM
I call myself a European mutt.

semi
July 2nd, 2005, 09:52 PM
Donatello, racism probably doesn't "equal light" either.

Maeglin Ancalime
July 3rd, 2005, 02:46 AM
I...R>...Mutt...

farm girl
July 3rd, 2005, 03:03 AM
If we are talking about the beliefs/cultural that we were raised in, then race has nothing to do with it.

America is a melting pot, but the majority of us are 3rd+ generation and growing up in the same culture. And elsewhere, you can be middle eastern and grow up in Norwegian culture, for example.

For me, someone who has done extensive genealogy, all of my roots are important to me. I am part Indonesian but was completely not raised with that cultural at all. I am part Russian Jew. Because of opression, my family hid their Judaism and barely spoke of it. It wasn't until my late teens that I researched my heritage and brought some of the traditions into my life. Now I have that culture in my life equally. Everything from 1/4-1/32.

The majority of Americans aren't even completely sure of their roots, let alone the true culture attach to them. :sadeyes:

Xentor
July 3rd, 2005, 06:52 AM
When the world ends it will be those who act white and think white who will cause it. Technology... dispoiling Mother Earth... following false gods or goddesses to death... loving money and wealth over nature.

Wow, that could be taken as one fine bit of discrimination. Did you read our Respect rule?
MW Community Rules (http://www.mysticwicks.com/faq.php?faq=mw_faqs#faq_rules)

blueangel
July 3rd, 2005, 07:23 AM
I'm part European and part Indian, although you wouldn't really think so looking at me, which is weird cos the genes aren't very watered down.

RubyRose
July 3rd, 2005, 07:46 AM
I'm white - as far as I can tell (as I've only researched my maternal ancestry) I'm Welsh, Irish, English, and Scottish descent.

On my dad's side, from talk alone, I'd clearly say I'm English and Irish (plus my surname is definitely English)

phoenix_starbearer
July 3rd, 2005, 08:11 AM
i picked mixed because, both of my parents are mixed so i'm all kinds of mixed up.

~*Ginger*~
July 3rd, 2005, 09:49 AM
Aren't we all! :abored:
:uhhuhuh:

Sharedaughter
July 4th, 2005, 10:05 PM
Caucasion: Mostly Swedish (both parents spoke it fluently, which they often did when
talking "adult" talk--drat!), with English, German, and Dutch in there, too.

Glo

Tinnamn
July 4th, 2005, 10:14 PM
White (with lot's of other stuff mixed in)

Tabby
July 4th, 2005, 10:51 PM
I'm mostly all German and look like it. *smiles*

starfire
July 21st, 2005, 09:55 PM
Not possitive, don't know what dad was, mom was portugues so guess white.

I do find it interesting that hispanic can include spain, but italian and portugues although the language is very close and those groups usually can understand each other are not. My psycology teacher was an older gentleman from mexico, and he said he had no clue as to where this land called hispania was that all these hispanics were coming from. I found it funny, because he is right, you are mixing all kinds of groups, including Native americans when you encompass such a large area, then you throw spain in there which really doesn't belong there......so confused about this one.

Does anyone know what people from Egypt are considered, since they are so close to africa, are they considered african? They aren't the normal fair skinned light colored European, but then again having portugues I am not fair skinned with. Guess I should have chosen mutt or other

RowanMegaera
July 22nd, 2005, 11:25 AM
I am a complete and total mutt. My mom is traditional nordic looking tall blue eyed blonde (though she's almost completely of irish descent) my dad looks exactly like Saddam Hussein(though there's really no middle eastern ethnicity unless you go way back with his German Jewish mother) and I grew up as a freckle faced, red haired green eyed brat.

I wonder what the mailman looked like?

wakywitch
July 22nd, 2005, 09:33 PM
Caucasian(sp)
My heritage is Portuguese, French, Scottish and English.

shadowkiss
July 22nd, 2005, 09:59 PM
Caucasian

and irish, and french, and german, and dutch, and english, and italian, and scottish, ...

Call me a mutt :smileroll

McDarvin
July 23rd, 2005, 12:36 AM
Native American here..Cherokee :D

Gede
July 23rd, 2005, 04:08 AM
Khaire~
I am a halfling ;) My father is Balinese and my mother is of Scottish/Irish descent.

Namaste, Gede...

~BEBZ~
July 23rd, 2005, 04:46 AM
I'm see through. :ghost:

Aestolia
July 23rd, 2005, 09:55 AM
Caucasian myself

Split almost perfectly 50/50
French, Irish, though I'm told there is a smidgen of native canadian as well

Hærfest Leah
July 28th, 2005, 08:06 AM
Dads side - I'm Belgian & German. That's my main make up and boy does it show LOL It's the short line, goes straight back over seas within 2 generations in one part and 3 in another. My Yankee side since that's where they immigrated to and lived.

Moms side - Next largest is English (verified).........and then I'm told a little Irish & a little Cherokee but I have't found those in my genealogy research, yet. This is the long line I'm currently working on. My southern side, I'm back to the 1600-1700s on my moms side and there still in the US.

Ok enough rambling

coyoger
July 28th, 2005, 09:17 AM
White and Native American _tomatoe_

-edit- but I voted white because you're a brat an I can't exactly vote mixed because the poll option for that is too specific!!!!!
~nods~ same here. Rounding up to the nearest race I'm white. But my grandma (rest her soul) would beat me over the head to hear me say that. (Sorry Grandma!)

MarsReiko
August 3rd, 2005, 09:48 PM
75% japanese 25% korean

LadyCelt
August 3rd, 2005, 10:07 PM
I"m am around 60 percent Irish. The rest is I think French and German. I may have a slight bit of Spanish as well.

Brónach Druid
August 4th, 2005, 12:10 AM
Caucasian, Irish/Scot/?

Childof_theMorrigan
August 4th, 2005, 02:52 AM
mutt here... all irish moms side, half norweigan half german on dad's side

charmedkisses1
August 4th, 2005, 04:24 AM
A hybrid I guess.

I'm a quarter Arab, part Irish, Scottish, German, God-knows-what-else. I guess that counts as Caucasian :wrinkles nose:

SacredWithin
August 5th, 2005, 12:32 PM
Hey, I'm not the only Afro-something Pagan around here! lol Oh, African American here. But I do have some Native American and something European in there somewhere.... but that 1/8 something doesn't count in this poll. So yeah, African American. :)

*looks back at the poll*

Why does it say the US census considers Middle Eastern folks white? What's that about? Do Middle Eastern folk consider themselves white? Never heard of that before.

SacredWithin
August 5th, 2005, 12:56 PM
I am half-White/half-Hispanic.

Dad's 'American'--his family originated from England and Wales.

Mom's Peruvian--her family's been in Peru since forever, descendant of the Incas. :)

Instead of Hispanic, wouldn't that be Latin? I thought Hispanic was only for Hispanola which is the Island that holds the Dominican Republic and Haiti.

But maybe I'm wrong.... :hrmm:

SacredWithin
August 5th, 2005, 01:04 PM
that a majority of pagans are of caucasian decent...its not surprising, this is one of many times where a stereotype is accurate

It really depends where. If you're talking here in the U.S., yes, that's true. In other countries, there are still people who follow beliefs and practices of indigeonous family traditions or others. And so, they are considered Pagans too.

But I did expect most of the folks on MW to be white. How many indigenous cultures do you know have access to the internet? :p

Rayzer
August 5th, 2005, 01:04 PM
I am 100% Asain. I'm an oriental boy. I'm pure Korean (south) but probably somewhere in my linage I've got chinese and or japanese. Not interested in going that far back though.

Yellowblue_dawn
August 5th, 2005, 03:48 PM
I'm black, but has a little bit of indian in me.

peggarty
August 5th, 2005, 07:59 PM
I was born and raised in England, buthave Irish, Welsh, Scots and Belgian blood in varying amounts in my ancestry.

MoonDust
August 5th, 2005, 09:06 PM
8 out of 236 votes.... huh.