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    Bin Laden: Yes, I did it

    Bin Laden: Yes, I did it
    By David Bamber
    (Filed: 11/11/2001)

    OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his
    al-Qa'eda group carried out the attacks on the World
    Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can
    reveal.


    Osama bin Laden with journalist Hamid Mir during the interview
    for a Pakistani newspaper


    In a previously undisclosed video which has been
    circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he
    confesses that "history should be a witness that we are
    terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents".

    In the footage, shot in the Afghan mountains at the end of
    October, a smiling bin Laden goes on to say that the
    World Trade Centre's twin towers were a "legitimate
    target" and the pilots who hijacked the planes were
    "blessed by Allah".

    The killing of at least 4,537 people was justified, he
    claims, because they were "not civilians" but were
    working for the American system.

    Bin Laden also makes a direct personal threat against
    Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, for the first time, and
    warns nations such as Australia, Germany and Japan to
    stay out of the conflict.

    The video will form the centrepiece of Britain and
    America's new evidence against bin Laden, to be released
    this Wednesday.

    The footage, to which the Telegraph obtained access in
    the Middle East yesterday, was not made for public
    release via the al-Jazeera television network used by bin
    Laden for propaganda purposes in the past. It is believed
    to be intended as a rallying call to al-Qa'eda members.

    In the video, bin Laden says: "The Twin Towers were
    legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic
    power. These events were great by all measurement.
    What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the
    towers of morale in that country."

    The hijackers were "blessed by Allah to destroy America's
    economic and military landmarks". He freely admits to
    being behind the attacks: "If avenging the killing of our
    people is terrorism then history should be a witness that
    we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents and this is
    legal religiously and logically."

    In a contradictory section, however, bin Laden justifies
    killing the occupants of the Twin Towers because they
    were not civilians - Islam forbids the killing of innocent
    civilians even in a holy war.

    He says: "The towers were supposed to be filled with
    supporters of the economical powers of the United States
    who are abusing the world. Those who talk about civilians
    should change their stand and reconsider their position.
    We are treating them like they treated us."

    Bin Laden goes on to justify his entire terror campaign.
    "There are two types of terror, good and bad. What we
    are practising is good terror. We will not stop killing them
    and whoever supports them."

    He directly threatens the lives of President Bush and Mr
    Blair. "Bush and Blair don't understand anything but the
    power of force. Every time they kill us, we kill them, so
    the balance of terror can be achieved." He also calls on all
    Muslims to join him. "It is the duty of every Muslim to
    fight. Killing Jews is top priority."

    Bin Laden warns other nations to keep out of the conflict,
    implying that they could face terror attacks if they do not.

    In the video, he also claims responsibility for an
    unspecified terrorist outrage in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia,
    which he claims was sparked by secret messages in one
    of his videos.

    He admits for the first time using public pronouncements
    on video to whip up terrorism - a danger about which the
    British and American governments have warned
    broadcasters.

    It is significant that throughout the video he uses the
    personal pronouns "I" and "we" to claim responsibility for
    the attacks. In the past, he has spoken of the attackers
    only in the third person.

    Bin Laden has publicly issued four previous videos since
    September 11, always denying carrying out the atrocities.

    He now claims to have access to nuclear and chemical
    weapons. Bin Laden made the claims on Friday night
    during an interview with the English language Pakistani
    newspaper Dawn.

    He said: "If America used chemical or nuclear weapons
    against us, then we may retort with chemical and nuclear
    weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent."

    Defence analysts dismissed these claims. They said that
    although bin Laden could have access to nuclear material
    through links with Pakistan or former Soviet republics, he
    was unlikely to have the technology to cause an
    explosion.

    A Foreign Office spokesman said: "We know that he was
    looking for that capability. We believe he does not have
    it."

    Emergency powers to imprison suspected international
    terrorists indefinitely using special closed courts will be
    announced this week. The measure, which will require
    exemption from human rights legislation, will be used to
    round up about 20 suspects hiding in Britain beyond the
    reach of existing laws.


    I think the man is a megalomaniac seeking glory for himself....... and any identification with a cause is purely convenient........
    I am wondering what some responses to this are; and what if anything do you think he might "admit to next"
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    Bin Laden's admission of guillt is, in my opinion, exactly what America and it's supporters need right now! I, personally, have no doubt of his guilt and have not a problem with us moving in and fighting him and his kind! As far as his nuclear capabilities...scary thought...we don't really know for sure if his group has this technology...I guess we shall soon find out!

    The attacks on America have been a wake up call for me an I have begun to research the history of this "war and hatred" against Americans and between the Jews and Muslims. Not to say that I did not have a clue before the current attacks on my country, but, I felt a great need to further educate myself. I will never be on the side of the terrorist and will never find reason to justify what they have done...but at least I can say I have educated myslef as to the partial resons behind this atrocity! Currently I am reading The Battle For God by Karen Armstrong, published in 2000. IT contains historical facts dating back to 1492! The book basically deals with fundamentalism and the continuing war between Jews and Muslims and Christians! Long, but interesting read!
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    Originally posted by Laiste
    Currently I am reading The Battle For God by Karen Armstrong, published in 2000. IT contains historical facts dating back to 1492! The book basically deals with fundamentalism and the continuing war between Jews and Muslims and Christians! Long, but interesting read!
    Try reading her __History of God__ also, an earlier book. She lays out the historys of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity and their interactions throughout history in a reasonably clear manner.

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    Thanks for the info Maggie...that's on my list for my next trip to the library! If I ever get through this hefty book!:D
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    If the report turns out to be true, then i don't think anyone would be at all surprised.

    But i still say the American authorities haven't shown enough of what their "evidence" is to have *legally* targeted bin Laden in the first place... and to me one of the essential elements of democracy and freedom is presumption of innocence until proven guilty... and due process of that law.. And when they changed to law to diminish the protections of due process... we all lost a lot of our basic freedom.

    If it does indeed turn out that the authorities were correct to target bin Laden, it doesn't take away from the fact that they violated their own principles and laws to do so without the authority of legality. bb talamh
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    As has been said several times, just because they didn't show you the evidence on tv doesn't mean it didn't exist. You can presume it didn't and question their practices if you like. Being as they said they had proof it was him and he months later admitted he did it, I would think perhaps they did have proof.

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    Also, you have to remember that International LAw and US Law are not one in the same. Any sovereign nation has the right to declare war whenever and on whomever it deems appropriate (more or less--there are exceptions). I wish I could explain this better, but at the moment I"m afraid I can't. Even though my degree is in International communication, I couldnt tell you much about international politics anymore. It's true what they say--if you dont use it, you lose it!)
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    Originally posted by amberlaine
    Also, you have to remember that International LAw and US Law are not one in the same. Any sovereign nation has the right to declare war whenever and on whomever it deems appropriate (more or less--there are exceptions). I wish I could explain this better, but at the moment I"m afraid I can't. Even though my degree is in International communication, I couldnt tell you much about international politics anymore. It's true what they say--if you dont use it, you lose it!)
    Ummm... one problem there though. The USA has NOT declared war on anyone. They are simply fighting. So there is a problem with even US policy.

    BTW, of the transcript of Bin Ladens message which I have read it can be interpretted to be taken that he is admitting guilt. However, it could also be interpretted that he is simply praising the people who DID do it, and that he would support them.

    He uses the words, "I" and "We" in the statement, indicating that it was them, however where they are used it looks like he is just saying that himself and Al-Quada (sp?) support that act of terror.
    He does not ACTUALLY say that he did it. (If I missed a part of the transcript, please point it out to me)

    ieieieieieieieieieieie........ I suppose we shall be judged a thousand years from now as to who was in the right. Remember, History, right or wrong, is written by the victors.

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