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    So I just got a call from Niko's K teacher and she said that she spoke with the nurse and his hearing test did show some problems. I believe the exact word was inconsistent. They sent a note home explaining it in his backpack. I will be picking him up at the bus stop in about 15 min so I'll have time to look at it. His ped's office closes at 4:30 though, so if I don't get back in time I'll have to wait until tomorrow to schedule an appointment. But that definitely could be at the root of some of his problems.

    Now that I'm taking more time to think about everything she said/process it, some of the other stuff is coming back. She mentioned that he writes exceptionally large, ie he commonly will write numbers particularly about half the page high (fine motor skills again?) and that he speaks very loudly most of the time. The volume is definitely something that could be related to his hearing, because if he can't hear himself, he may think others can't too and so speaks loudly to compensate. They've been working on shoe tying the past month or so too, and while most of the other kids have grasped it, he can't get past the first x. The bunny ears/loops are almost impossible for him and we've been working on that at home as well.

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    So I got a chance to take a look at the hearing assessment they did. Apparently they tested him twice. Once back on 9/26 and they tested him again today. Apparently he failed both times. The nurse did not bother to tell either us or the teacher until today. I have to wonder if she would have at all had I not asked for the results. His kindergarten teacher told us yesterday (and was operating under the assumption) that everything was fine with his ears. But since the nurse hadn't told her, I don't blame her. She did call as soon as she found out she was wrong. They sent home the results with us along with a portion that they need his physician to complete by 11/9, as they feel a more complete evaluation is required (duh). I will definitely be making copies of this to keep for our records.

    He also started the writer's club today and from the work that was sent home, it was not in fact writing. The sheet was basically lines of matching items, and they had to pick out the one that didn't match by marking it with a red x. I'm not sure what this has to do with writing so I'm a bit confused.

    His teacher called and left me a message while I was picking him up stating that he will be doing both the writer's and reader's clubs, and that they are 20 minutes outside of class with different teachers. She said if we had any questions to give her a call. Unfortunately I had to leave a message, but she is pretty good about calling us back so I hope to get some more info soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M˛rag Elasaid NÝ Dh˛mhnaill View Post
    So I just got a call from Niko's K teacher and she said that she spoke with the nurse and his hearing test did show some problems. I believe the exact word was inconsistent. They sent a note home explaining it in his backpack. I will be picking him up at the bus stop in about 15 min so I'll have time to look at it. His ped's office closes at 4:30 though, so if I don't get back in time I'll have to wait until tomorrow to schedule an appointment. But that definitely could be at the root of some of his problems.

    Now that I'm taking more time to think about everything she said/process it, some of the other stuff is coming back. She mentioned that he writes exceptionally large, ie he commonly will write numbers particularly about half the page high (fine motor skills again?) and that he speaks very loudly most of the time. The volume is definitely something that could be related to his hearing, because if he can't hear himself, he may think others can't too and so speaks loudly to compensate. They've been working on shoe tying the past month or so too, and while most of the other kids have grasped it, he can't get past the first x. The bunny ears/loops are almost impossible for him and we've been working on that at home as well.
    Very odd that you weren't sent the results of the hearing test. We've always gotten copies of the kids hearing tests. My daughter often had less than great test results because she had scar tissue from so many ear infections. She had speach therapy when she was in 1st grade and then was fine.

    Yeah, writing large seems to be related to delays in fine motor skills. Nove has been working on writing smaller this year and is doing better, but still has room for improvement.

    I think I posted on the other thread that they have included helping her learn to tie her shoelaces - I suspect that was part of the issue the day she got overwhelmed and threw her shoe at the teacher so they are working to address that. Hopefully they are more patient at teaching her than her mommy and I are. My patience lasts about 30 minutes on a good day. And I had an email this week from another mother in the Autism Support Group bragging that her 10 year old son has finally learned to tie his own shoes. I guess I should brag more often when Nove learns to do new things - even if she is 3 or 4 years behind other kids in her age group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunacie View Post
    Very odd that you weren't sent the results of the hearing test. We've always gotten copies of the kids hearing tests. My daughter often had less than great test results because she had scar tissue from so many ear infections. She had speach therapy when she was in 1st grade and then was fine.

    Yeah, writing large seems to be related to delays in fine motor skills. Nove has been working on writing smaller this year and is doing better, but still has room for improvement.

    I think I posted on the other thread that they have included helping her learn to tie her shoelaces - I suspect that was part of the issue the day she got overwhelmed and threw her shoe at the teacher so they are working to address that. Hopefully they are more patient at teaching her than her mommy and I are. My patience lasts about 30 minutes on a good day. And I had an email this week from another mother in the Autism Support Group bragging that her 10 year old son has finally learned to tie his own shoes. I guess I should brag more often when Nove learns to do new things - even if she is 3 or 4 years behind other kids in her age group.
    I'm definitely a little perturbed we weren't sent the results. Of course we weren't even told they were going to be getting the screening either, so I'm not surprised.

    Nikolas had many many ear infections, and that was why when he was younger he had speech therapy as well. From what the specialist told us, it appeared to have caused hearing loss at the time of the infections, but didn't think it would be anything permanent. So the fact hat it's showing up again is a big concern for me.

    I'll definitely be calling his pediatrician's office as soon as they open tomorrow to get something scheduled, and talk to them as well to see if there is anything they can do to check and see if he is in fact experiencing delays in his fine motor skills.

    I don't have much patience when it comes to teaching him to tie his shoes either. I keep telling his father that he needs to help with that when he gets home from work. He says he will, but has yet to actually do so.

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    The nurse did not bother to tell either us or the teacher until today. I have to wonder if she would have at all had I not asked for the results.
    That is the reason you need to hound them as a parent it is your right to have all the information and have it be accurate. I had the similar issues with the Occupation Therapist and and the physiotherapists that did Cleo's assessments, which annoyed me because the town I lived in before not only kept me informed but they had me involved with a program of things I could do at home. When Cleo was in Kindergarten and assessed I was not treated the same way so I did make a deal about it.

    So this is why it is important to document what is said by who and get copies of those assessments.

    He also started the writer's club today and from the work that was sent home, it was not in fact writing. The sheet was basically lines of matching items, and they had to pick out the one that didn't match by marking it with a red x. I'm not sure what this has to do with writing so I'm a bit confused.
    I can see why your confused. Maybe it is starting from doing something basic as an X and building up to actual printing? I know my daughter did something similar.


    I'll definitely be calling his pediatrician's office as soon as they open tomorrow to get something scheduled, and talk to them as well to see if there is anything they can do to check and see if he is in fact experiencing delays in his fine motor skills.
    Yep make sure you do and I do hope he can get checked out properly. One thing you will also find( or maybe not) is some people cannot get their stories straight, one person says one thing and the other another thing entirley. I had problems with one doctor telling me one thing at one point then some one else arguing I was wrong and the doctor was not right... I say take the pediatricians word any day over a school nurse lol. But that is just how I feel after the crap I went through.

    Anyways I will check back tomorrow Take care ok?
    Last edited by SilverClaw; October 9th, 2008 at 09:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M˛rag Elasaid NÝ Dh˛mhnaill View Post
    I don't have much patience when it comes to teaching him to tie his shoes either. I keep telling his father that he needs to help with that when he gets home from work. He says he will, but has yet to actually do so.
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    If I may make a suggestion...-
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    Get him slip-on or velcro shoes.-
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    If he is having this much trouble right now, you are likely to have the result of only frustrating him and yourself by continuing to push the issue.-
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    Just because he does not 'get it' now, does not mean that he won't eventually.-
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    Example...-
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    When I first started homeschooling my daughter, I took everything very seriously regarding what they were supposed to be learning at what time...-
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    She was having serious issues telling time. I would go through it with her one minute, and the next minutes she still could not do it.-
    I got frustrated enough that I put the whole thing down for a time.
    -We came back to it 4 or so months later and it came to her very easily.-
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    She was just not developmentally ready.-
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    I *would* recommend a musical instrument to help with fine motor skills (it *did* help my son immensely!)...If not now, then in a year or so. Of course, his hearing issues.may have a bearing on that too.




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    Its pre-writing skills, I think. I know the handwriting program I have begins with a lot of stuff that isn't writing at all, but works on the fine motor skills needed for writing, plus the concepts.

    IMO at this point I wouldn't do anything else (aside form the fine motor stuff) till the auditory issue is addressed. There is too much potential for the hearing problem to impact his functioning in class, if for instance he can't hear the questions or instructions.
    Last edited by Cat; October 10th, 2008 at 07:30 AM.

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    I sometimes forget how much I really like our pediatrician's office. They are treating this as a sick child appointment and have scheduled an appointment to look at his ears today. The nurse told me they are first going to want to look and make sure that it's not a problem such as an ear infection, or a build-up of wax. As for the auditory test, I'm not sure if they'll be able to do that there today, if well need another appointment with his pediatrician, or if they'll refer him to a specialist. But I love that they are taking it seriously enough to see him today.

    The appointment is at 11:30 so I'll let everyone know how it went after we get back.

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    Velcro is pretty much all he's always worn in the past. We actually only got him laces this time because that's what he asked for. However, the school, regardless of what shoes he is wearing, has shoe-tying as part of their curriculum, so he will be learning it there anyhow.

    He does have his guitar, and loves to "play" it. After we've worked out the auditory issues I'll definitely make sure he gets some lessons. And he wants a keyboard.

    This winter we're also planning on enrolling him in a gymnastics course (his decision) which while more particularly focused on gross motor skills, I'd like to think that it could help him with his fine motor skills too.

    I actually have to wonder if he's having some difficulties with some of his gross motor skills as well. He still has a hard time pedaling a bike, takes the steps one at a time (meaning he puts both feet on each step instead of alternating), and has little awareness of his body (ie flings his arms, head, legs around, completely out of control, which results in frequent injuries to me and him)

    Quote Originally Posted by Faol-ch¨ View Post
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    If I may make a suggestion...-
    -
    Get him slip-on or velcro shoes.-
    -
    If he is having this much trouble right now, you are likely to have the result of only frustrating him and yourself by continuing to push the issue.-
    -
    Just because he does not 'get it' now, does not mean that he won't eventually.-
    -
    Example...-
    -
    When I first started homeschooling my daughter, I took everything very seriously regarding what they were supposed to be learning at what time...-
    -
    She was having serious issues telling time. I would go through it with her one minute, and the next minutes she still could not do it.-
    I got frustrated enough that I put the whole thing down for a time.
    -We came back to it 4 or so months later and it came to her very easily.-
    -
    She was just not developmentally ready.-
    -
    I *would* recommend a musical instrument to help with fine motor skills (it *did* help my son immensely!)...If not now, then in a year or so. Of course, his hearing issues.may have a bearing on that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat View Post
    Its pre-writing skills, I think. I know the handwriting program I have begins with a lot of stuff that isn't writing at all, but works on the fine motor skills needed for writing, plus the concepts.

    IMO at this point I wouldn't do anything else (aside form the fine motor stuff) till the auditory issue is addressed. There is too much potential for the hearing problem to impact his functioning in class, if for instance he can't hear the questions or instructions.
    So after talking to his teacher, I was able to get some more info on the Reader's and Writer's clubs that he's part of. Yesterday was apparently actually Reader's. So I'm thinking that it may have been more of a "following directions" sort of thing.

    What's going to be happening is that each class will be done once a week for 20-30 minutes each. They do coordinate with his K teacher on what they are working on in there. For example, in class they've worked on M, T, F, and currently N, so those are the letters they would work on in Writer's Club. They make it sort of like a game, so the kids don't feel like it's a punishment and when they come back they are not forced to sit down and go back and do what they missed. His teacher will however send it home with him for us to work on here with a note that he was at Reader's or Writer's club.

    I'm definitely holding of on doing too much about the other stuff until we confirm if it's his ears causing most of the problems, but I think I will at least mention to his pediatrician today about some of his teacher's concerns with his fine motor skills.

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