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    The Catholic Pope changed all the Christian holly days in 354 AD in order to try to get Pagans to observe there holly days. All Hallows Eve,the 31st of Oct. & Nov.1st All Dead Saints Day. To honor the dead saints.

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    The traditional explaination is that this is due to the conflation between the devil and a horned deity of hunting and herding originating back in proto-Indo-European religion. The Gaelic festival of Samhain which the Christian establishment co-opted as "All Hallow's Eve" originally marked the transition point between years in the Pagan calendar. Originally Samhain was the day in the old phrase "a year and a day" since a thirteen month lunar year equals 364 days, wheras the solar year amounts to 365 days, the extra day falling between the end of the old year and the begining of the new year was Samhain. As Samhain occurs at the end or "death" of the old year and marks the begining of Winter at the start of the new year, the day was seen as being heavily associated with death. Herds of horned pasture animals would often be slaughtered for meat at this time of year to last through the winter season when crops did not grow, and hunting was largely conducted during the winter as well in order to supplement the food supply. Since many ancient European pagan religions had a horned god (Pan, Faunus, Cernunnos, Herne, etc.) who was associated with horned animals and their herding/hunting, it is thought that Samhain may have become associated with this deity because the killing of animals occurred during the winter when the earth and agricultural crops were dying; thus the pagan horned god came to also sometimes be viewed as a god of death and the underworld, a role similar to that of the devil. Hell itself takes its name from a pre-Christian Pagan designation for one on the realms of the dead in Nordic/Germanic mythology, a region named for Hel or Hella, the daughter of Loki. In pagan mythology, the underworld was not a place of punishment, but merely a ghostly plane of existence. When the Bible was translated into English, the word Hell was used in place of the original Hebrew word Sheol meaning "the grave" in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament Hell was used in place of the word Hades (the Greeks' name for their underworld abode of the souls of the dead).

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    One also has to factor in that Anton LaVey, upon launching Satanism as an organized religion in 1966, made Halloween one of the most important holidays for Satanists to celebrate. When the "Satanic Panic" began taking hold in the 80's, many paranoid Christians really began decrying Halloween as the "Devil's Holiday". From that all kinds of urban legends began to grow regarding Satanists supposedly abducting children on Halloween night, people putting razor blades in candy, etc. - none of which was true.

    Now, I'm not saying that's the sole reason, or that Christians weren't already thinking of Halloween as a Satanic holiday before LaVey - I'm just saying to some of them, his pronouncement and the formation of Satanism helped exacerbate that thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faunus View Post
    Now, I'm not saying that's the sole reason, or that Christians weren't already thinking of Halloween as a Satanic holiday before LaVey - I'm just saying to some of them, his pronouncement and the formation of Satanism helped exacerbate that thought.
    I kinda disagree that LaVey had anything in the formation of it.

    The following link provides halloween decor from the 1940's. and i believe there was some decor going back to either 1910's or 1920's that were popular in Germany. so there was some association with devils at that time.

    http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...er-mache-devil
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightdragon View Post
    I kinda disagree that LaVey had anything in the formation of it.

    The following link provides halloween decor from the 1940's. and i believe there was some decor going back to either 1910's or 1920's that were popular in Germany. so there was some association with devils at that time.

    http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...er-mache-devil

    Oh, I agree it goes back further than LaVey - I just meant that his naming Halloween as a Satanic holiday helped contribute to the hysteria about it that really went into overdrive in the 1980's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faunus View Post
    Oh, I agree it goes back further than LaVey - I just meant that his naming Halloween as a Satanic holiday helped contribute to the hysteria about it that really went into overdrive in the 1980's.
    oh that's possible. But the Satanic panic in the 1980's was mainly made up of some Christian fundies looking to make a buck at it by selling stories to the tabloids and writing books. Also it would be more possible that LaVey was influenced by it. As there was a Devil's night/mischief night in the States as early as the 1930's.
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    The Christians have ALWAYS tried to push their devil into anything different, sweetie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Tara View Post
    The Christians have ALWAYS tried to push their devil into anything different, sweetie.
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    I dont think that Halloween is the sole purpose the christians saying that pagans were worshiping the devil.

    This came just from the pure fact that the christians were trying to convert them and they said the horned one was their devil. This kept people from getting interested in paganism although this isnt the case at all.
    Actually, the Horned God and Triple Goddess only date back to the 20th Century. Ancient Europeans did not worship a Horned God and Triple Goddess. The only god from ancient times that was viewed as both a Solar and Nature deity, sometimes depicted with antlers in art was... Christ. Solar and Nature gods tended to be separate, before then.

    Had to throw that out there, since the term "pure fact" was used for an untrue declaration, much like the declaration that Wiccans worship the Devil is "pure fact". Be careful when it comes to Dogma.

    All Saints Day and All Souls Day developed in Asia Minor, and therefore had nothing to do with the Irish Samhain. What would they have cared in Asia Minor about some island far to the north? As for the pre-Christian version of Samhain, itself... We don't know much about it, really. All we know about the old Druidic practices is what survived into Celtic Christianity, and that, even the Mythology, came to us through a Celtic Christian filter. For all we actually know, the Festival of the Dead aspect of Samhain may have been a Christian addition, due to it coinciding with All Saints and All Souls.

    Not that our modern Halloween has much to do with any of that. The Day of the Dead, practiced in Catholic Latin American cultures, does, but Halloween is mainly about dressing up and going to parties, or the kids trick-or-treating.

    Are there some whack jobs claiming to be Christians (or, more accurately, folks who see a buck to be made fleecing whack jobs) railing against Halloween? Sure. These are the same folks who rant about the evil threat of Scooby-Doo cartoons. They are no more representative of Christians than those Neo-Nazis that go on about worshipping Wotan are representatives of Neo-Paganism.

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