March 8th, 2017, 04:42 AM
The fact that many spirts have been allowed to linger on in the physical world at times sort of proves what we have both said, although thanks for explaining it in depth more. Some people refer to it as having unfinished business, you have explained it as having a part of the soul remain, I simply think of it as it's presence serving a purpose, whether it be an unjustified murder or something that wasn't said in time etc. Nothing breaks my heart more than witnessing 2 soul mates being torn apart all the same. . Strange how love can make us unbreakable and broken at the same time isn't it... I sometimes think if everyone seen proof of the next world for themselves during life that they would no longer fear death. As it is many people claim to believe in the next life but when push comes to shove you can still see the doubts in their eyes, and then once they reach the other side their happy again..guess it's human nature
March 8th, 2017, 07:03 AM
I think the reasons are potentially so various it's difficult to give an inclusive why. Figure revenge, justice, protection, unfinished tasks, not realizing they have passed, trapped by loved ones or others, rare but self refusal to cross. That doesn't even touch upon the cultural and religious reasons that some speculate a spirit may become trapped and earth bound. Figure for many years Christianity for instance believed no body to be buried so the spirit could not get into Heaven or the afterlife. So society, family and religious belief formed an anchor upon the person(s) spirit if the body was lost or unburiable. It wasn't even bound to hell by being buried in unconsecrated ground, there simply was no body, no last rites to be performed over it.
Figure is that one of the reasons you start to see a last rites type prayer and such before troops went into battle with the possibility their bodies would never be found? Granted a continuation in many ways from the earlier Roman, Hellene, Norse, etc offerings and such to the gods & goddess associated with war and battle and victory. In some culture's also connected to the Warrior Shaman who would accompany the warrior's and prepare the medicine bags, ceremonies & rituals and the potions that would be given before the battle was engaged. It all aided the Spirits of the fallen to pass into whatever the appropriate afterlife was for the particular people and not leave their spirits wandering the battlefields or trapped between the worlds lost and confused.
Regarding death and the afterlife I think most people are not so scared of death itself it's the fear of it being painful and drawn out that they are scared of. Yeah an uncertainty about the afterlife and if there actually is one. If it is going to be what they've been told by their religious beliefs. But again uncertainty does not specifically equate to fear or apprehension about what it is or isn't. But as a society death is not what it used to be. It is something pushed into a corner and pretty well hidden and unspoken of and feared for its approach. In years past it was not always so and people died with their families and in their homes and such so people saw life and death in their communities. Bodies laid in state many times in the same home the person lived in and perhaps even was born in and the whole family was involved. Even the burial was in family cemeteries or small cemeteries that seemed like family cemeteries. Even larger town or city areas were more family focused and neighborhoods than today.
Even how we classify spirits is interesting. Most in the pagan community seem to simply say "Ghost" and use it to cover it all. Yet it falls so short, one area I do agree the paranormal and ghost hunters actually do a better job in identifying spirit energies and things encountered.
March 8th, 2017, 05:26 PM
I consider the soul separate from the body, the body is merely a home for it and a way to give it action this much i know not just believe as I have seen it leave both human and animal bodies before. I also know that some souls can leave the body at any given moment and depending on what type of soul it is be able to travel across not just countries but world's and almost certainly have endless possibilities with regards to what can be accomplished..
March 8th, 2017, 10:33 PM
Soul types are an interesting concept to discuss. One theory I read, don't recall where now though, was of the opinion that the so called twin flame or soul mate was actually a split soul fragment. It feels like a perfect union when back together because the two halves when together make a complete whole. Not that the two bodies the parts are inhabiting at the time are actually the perfect match as partners in that incarnation but that the two fragments are balanced and in harmony. A true Yin - Yang relationship where they complement and match strength to weakness. So the loss of the partner fragment is nearly traumatic for the realization of the in-balance state becomes more apparent by becoming aware of its existence. It also ties into one aspect of the idea of a spirit spouse where one exists in the living body while the other exists as an energy form or spirit form after death (or even before birth).
Can't think of the name of the people but there is a tribe in Africa where a replica is carved in wood to represent the spirit spouse and the living person is "Married" to the replica and the spirit inhabits the statuary piece. Just don't recall for certain if it's due to the spirit spouse having died or never having been born but the living partner recognizes the marriage and attachment to the other via the statuary partner. The person may actually have a living spouse as well as the spirit spouse that is enshrined in the statuary piece. Then the ritual observances of marriage ceremony, anniversaries, important dates, etc are observed. Darn wish I could recall more of it, might give the OP something to consider as an option to her situation and a means of having her true love as part of her life for all time.
From a shamanic perspective the idea of a Spirit Spouse is not uncommon. Though the degree to which the commitment can be taken to can be extreme to outside perspectives. Like physical living spouses Spirit Spouse can be just as demanding and just as jealous or vindictive in their relationship expectations. Have to admit though while I've never had a spirit spouse whose moved into the paranormal realm described as a ghostly lover, I have heard of the situation. There is an older movie titled The Entity about a woman who is basically attacked and raped frequently by a spirit that some claim was either a demon, a spirit spouse / lover or hostile daemon. While the attacks were bad and violent towards her, one aspect I want to point out is that as a Spirit Spouse and extremes is that it took her when it desired where ever it desired. Definitely not the type of Spirit Lover or spouse one would want but does fall into the category and potential extremes.
I do agree with the soul and physical body being separate. The only thing I wonder about and even debate about is is the soul layered. By layered I wonder does the soul have a primordial aspect, an animal aspect, basically aspects that mark all the evolutionary stages the human has evolved through? Within the womb our developing body goes through various stages and the fetus resembles different creatures basically. If the soul is present from the very moment of creation and union then it would witness and experience those changes. If it is not injected until the physical meat shell has reached a certain stage then it would not and perhaps might not have those stages present as an influence. But again from a shamanic influence and the process of shapeshifting / shiftshaping I presume the soul is present and experiences those stages.
Coming from the shamanic perspective and soul fragmentation I believe that is why it is not uncommon to discover that some fragments are not human when we find them. That or if they are human they are primordial in nature almost proto-human I suppose you could say in their development. That in my opinion is also why I think some spirit manifestations seem animal like in nature but you know they are human or human but almost like your seeing a neanderthal or something. Not to be confused with hauntings or echos such as a battle that is seen over and over or the spirit that is constantly trying to find its way home but can't get there but is doomed to repeat the journey. Those many times are echos you see and hear but can't interact with or things such as Resurrection Mary of Chicago who is a haunt that is forever trying to get home and people do interact with and she responds to them.
I do wonder though is our consciousness separate from our soul. I think we can project our consciousness and even have it take on a form perhaps the illusion of mass. Yet that is not projecting our soul as it were. Now does our consciousness perhaps create our tween? That I am not sure of though, if the consciousness can create and project a form and present the illusion of mass then it seems logical, to me anyway, it could be the tween. In such a case then the soul and consciousness would seem to be separate yet joined. That some, perhaps many, seem to be able to project their consciousness while maintaining a conscious state in their physical body and maintain an awareness in both locations to me says the soul resides in one place but controls things. However, I am uncertain of just how much energy there is to control once the physical body has died and can the consciousness be separated from the soul to be projected. Which to me asks the question is the body the battery and power source used to power and drive the consciousness projection aspects employed by the soul and spirit. Thus remove the body, ie battery, and the capability is lost or severely reduced.
Boy I think we have derailed this thread
March 9th, 2017, 04:47 AM
I believe I was talking with you about this not long ago with regards to my unique relationship with hel, Its interesting that a few days ago she said, I am so glad you're okay I guess we make a good team after all... cant give the reasons why in public but it's a miracle that iam still alive, and when I was doubting how she felt towards me I got a message saying your stronger together than you are apart.. now for the whole extreme opposites situation. The touch of her soul can bring death as when she took hold of a family members arms to stop them making a bad decision was left with extreme burns and blisters but when I touched her body when my soul travelled to her relm she changed from half dead to fully alive.. The next day I got a message saying.. The touch of your skin giving life from within, which apparently has something to do with the whole astral projection episodes if you remember the unique situation I was describing...
I now believe that what has been happening isn't just extreme astral projection but rather my soul leaving my body when it's needed..
March 9th, 2017, 10:55 AM
Here's a link to the idea of the Spirit Spouse figurine that I was talking about. Granted this one is inspired by an African tradition but the idea of the Spirit Spouse and ways of presenting it is found in multiple cultures. katywinter this might be a way to either contact the spirit of your departed love or keep the union of that notion of him being your true love and spouse alive in your heart and life.
Will be honest I do not know if it would enshrine part of his spirit into any statuary piece or enshrine the memory of his presence as you see him into the statuary piece. Such a statuary piece is not a voudon type doll and has no such workings associated with it. Nor is it a typical poppet type doll which would be including material from the person or spell workings as part of its dressings. In many ways it would be closer to an ancestral representation and be enshrined as such, perhaps even be breathed into life such as one would do with a divinity statue but would be breathing your love for the person into it.
March 9th, 2017, 01:11 PM
Not sure if this will apply to you but the though is sticking in my mind and this thread so will follow my guides and speak on it.
You might come across the idea of a Spirit Keeper. Now if you do a google search on the term mostly what you'll find today deals with people who are talking about binding spirits to objects and keeping them. Sort of an Genie in the lamp type thing and many times dealing with Djinn's and such. In fact there is a whole trend and fad about it with people selling them and trading them. For a given price you can purchase nearly any type of creature.
However that is not the type of Spirit Keeper I am referring to when I speak about Spirit Keeping. What I speak about is basically a psychopomp activity that is performed by a shaman or shamanic practitioner and is usually designed to aid the spirit of a person in releasing their attachments to the earth and earthly possessions. Many times it involves actually constructing a body for the deceased's spirit to inhabit or a spirit house that the spirit will inhabit while it comes to terms with its death and transition. The Spirit Keeper will often become a voice for the spirit and convey last requests to the living or give final messages that the spirit wishes to send. The Spirit Keeper may also function as the person who oversee's purification rituals, ceremonies, etc that aide the spirit to purify itself or provide services the Spirit believes it needs in order to be released. Sometimes the Spirit Keeper may be the singer of the Traveling Song for the deceased and be the herald to announce the deceased arrival and transition so that his / her ancestors come to meet the spirit and welcome him / her to the afterlife. They may be the guardian that sings the songs of protection and blessing that protects the spirit as it transitions towards the veil and keeps away the spirits that would tear at it and try to capture it. While it is pretty much unheard of now at one time the Spirit Keeper might be the one who arranged for a sin eater to take on the deceased's sins at the final meal or some such meal so the soul was clean when it went to the hereafter. The Spirit Keeper might also be the one to arrange the burial gifts that would be sent via the ritual ceremonies when the Spirit body was destroyed to release the last connection when the transition period was done and the escorting spirits were honored. Sort of tobacco for the landspirits type thing.
In a number of cultures until those rites and such were done the spirit would be considered as restless dead. They would appear to the living, especially loved ones, but not as welcomed guests but more as haunting ghost. They basically haunted the family and caused trouble until they were given proper rites and rituals so they could lay at rest. The loved ones often could see and hear them but the spirit was in torment so the encounter was seldom pleasant. It was also believed that those tormented spirits could be trapped and enslaved via magical means and caused to do ones bidding. So families often went out of their way to make sure their loved ones were laid to rest with all honors due them.
It is possible if your loved one is staying that much upon your mind he is trying to make you his Spirit Keeper in some capacity. To see his spirit taken care of and allowed to release. Not saying that is what is in fact happening just something that keeps coming up in my mind when I come back to this thread.