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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Gnosis
    Yep, you'll find that with a lot of the more modern stuff out there. The older books tend to have a stricter view of what is Wiccan.
    Yeah, eveyone wants to think their version is the "real thing" (which, in a "One True Way" way of thinking, means the rest out there must be false.)

    There are some though who thankfully don't fall for this sort of thinking. Wicca without the diversity is just monotheism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Gruagach
    Yeah, eveyone wants to think their version is the "real thing" (which, in a "One True Way" way of thinking, means the rest out there must be false.)
    Well, I didn't get that impression from Buckland's book or the Farrars' Bible Compleat - the latter especially is pretty flexible and offers info for self-dedication. Even Valiente's Witchcraft for Tomorrow had a self-dedication ritual. If there was "one true way" there wouldn't be the opportunity to self-dedicate. I find especially with the Bible Compleat it is written less about specific rules and guidelines to be followed by the letter and more as a discussion of the reasonings behind the framework they have observed. All this suggests to me is that there's a framework and then an invitation to use that framework as a jumping off point.

    Edited to add : Wicca was always a religion based on diversity. Without diversity Wicca simply wouldn't exist at all. As far as I know, Wicca was never monotheism.. mind you, I've met some pretty diverse monotheists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Gnosis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erincelt
    I could be so cruel.. it would be so easy.. lucky for you I've had my coffee and so I'm in a good mood. Hazelnut Vanilla. Yum.
    Oh yeah, 'cause I made the comment thinking no one would make a smartass remark about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Gnosis
    Well, I didn't get that impression from Buckland's book or the Farrars' Bible Compleat - the latter especially is pretty flexible and offers info for self-dedication. Even Valiente's Witchcraft for Tomorrow had a self-dedication ritual. If there was "one true way" there wouldn't be the opportunity to self-dedicate. I find especially with the Bible Compleat it is written less about specific rules and guidelines to be followed by the letter and more as a discussion of the reasonings behind the framework they have observed. All this suggests to me is that there's a framework and then an invitation to use that framework as a jumping off point.

    Edited to add : Wicca was always a religion based on diversity. Without diversity Wicca simply wouldn't exist at all. As far as I know, Wicca was never monotheism.. mind you, I've met some pretty diverse monotheists.
    I agree that the Farrars, Valiente, and Buckland tend to not be among those who insist their way is the "one true and only" Wicca. I responded to your statement that the older books on Wicca tend to be "more strict" on what is and isn't Wiccan.

    There is diversity within those who are following monotheist faiths, too. But then they also have a real problem with each group claiming its way is the "one true and only way," don't they.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Gnosis
    I have a big mouth.
    I wasn't refferring to you so much as...*COUGH*...OLD WITCH....

    Getting close to twenty thousand!

    Thats amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marchosias
    I wasn't refferring to you so much as...*COUGH*...OLD WITCH.
    Well to be fair I've used a lot of different nicks before karma came along. I don't think all my usernames would add up to 20k anyway, but they add up to several thousand.

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    You people are nuts.

    (but hey, im still proud of my HUGE post total)

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    I agree with Rain Gnosis and Ben: read some of the older books. There were very few good books on the Craft when I was starting out 30 years ago. The authors I was required to read included:

    Sybil Leek's Diary of a Witch and The Complete Art of Witchcraft
    Starhawk's The Spiral Dance
    Ed Fitch's A Book of Pagan Rituals (attributed to Herman Slater), Magical Rites from the Crystal Well, and A Grimoire of Shadows
    Mike Nichols' The Witches' Sabbats is excellent, IMHO, though it is new (the Sabbats essays, however, were written 30 years ago).
    Doreen Valiente's An ABC of Witchcraft, Natural Magic, and Witchcraft for Tomorrow
    Paul Huson's Mastering Witchcraft
    Victor Anderson's book of Craft and love poetry Thorns of the Blood Rose is classic. There is a new sequel titled Lilith's Garden.

    In addition, I'd recommend Marian Green's books: A Witch Alone, Wild Wildcraft, Gentle Arts of Natural Magic, A Calendar of Festivals, and Natural Witchcraft. She has others as well, but they are very basic.

    And Old Tradition Craft by Robin Artisan (not Robin Artisson, different author).

    Hope this helps.
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