Resurrection is often misunderstood by Christians and Jews

[David19]

Originally Posted by Yticilef

In my very limited understanding of Kabbalah from Bnei Baruch, it isn't the end of the world, rather the beginning of a desire for spirituality... in one way, if we follow our current path which is strongly based on the Ego- often referred to as Hamman in the bible, we are progressively going to have an increasing path of 'pain'... as evidenced in our physical footprint we are placing on the earth's capacity to service our desires.

The half way point we have reached is that many are feeling a sense of a desire for change... what Kabbalah calls a 'point in the heart'.
This change leads to an understanding that we are all connected, a bit like the butterfly effect, and that we now need to assess our desire to receive for only self gratification but rather practice a desire to receive but in order to bestow.

The physical body and our sense of separateness are an illusion. There are some good video shorts on Kabbalah TV, including some interesting links to their views that we reincarnate and the Wisdom Institute....

Yticilef

Can I just say Bnei Baruch is one of the best Kabbalah sites around, Michael Laitman is an amazing Kabbalist (I want to get his book 'The Complete Idiot's Guide to Kabbalah' as it sounds like it'll explain things in a way I can understand (yes, I'm aware I just referred to myself as an idiot!)).

Also, that's an interesting perspective on the End Times, and very apt and true too.

Their Kabbalah TV is quite cool too, from what I've seen (I so want to learn Hebrew, there's a lot of Kabbalah books published in Israel, yet not really available over here, plus, Israel has a great gay scene, with hot men in the Army, so, if the Kabbalah wasn't a great reason to visit, that sure is ).

[David19]

Originally Posted by Beyond Ashes

I can answer this question best in the words of someone else, if you don't mind. Not that I don't have words of my own, but that the words someone said to me just recently most accurately describe exactly how I feel about the resurrection:

"Resurrection is in the mind, not a re-animated corpse. When you see Jesus teaching of love, compassion and acceptance - that is Resurrection for Paul and for me. Heaven is when we form a community now where we treat each other with unconditional acceptance and love as well as care.

We form a community of hope that is based in God’s unconditional love for all of us, as we are. That community is the church I want to be a part of. In this regard, I have faith in God as taught to us by Jesus and the radical Paul. All the other stuff is self-serving and I have no faith in. The ritual is a reflection of the love community where we all share equally. That for me is the meaning under the sacraments."

Written to me by my Anglican Priest. An amazing man of God.

That's really quite cool, and, that's what I think of when I think of Christians (it's a shame other Pagans don't know people like your Priest, they may have a better impression and the anti-Christian Meme that's infected them could be beaten).

He sounds an amazing Holy man of God too. Thanks for sharing it .

[watersprite]

The bible was written by men in different languages, difficult to translate properly. Certainly not in context, the translations are made to suit the civilization of the times. Any versions translated and written now, just like then, serves a personal purpose or agenda.
That is the intention of any perspective of any instructional book written. It is from the perspective of the author or contributors.
It is totally insane to try to force me to submit to anyones' view of any one religion. I am one of the lost ones, a Lesbian Witch. SO many strikes against me, according to about all organized religions. I am denied American Civil rights, and targeted among the general society as a person without human rights because I do not follow the mores of society.
After reading about him and his acceptance of most people except the top %5, I think he might be quite upset about the state of the current world.
Organized religion is a very dangerous concept.

[David19]

Originally Posted by watersprite

The bible was written by men in different languages, difficult to translate properly. Certainly not in context, the translations are made to suit the civilization of the times. Any versions translated and written now, just like then, serves a personal purpose or agenda.
That is the intention of any perspective of any instructional book written. It is from the perspective of the author or contributors.
It is totally insane to try to force me to submit to anyones' view of any one religion. I am one of the lost ones, a Lesbian Witch. SO many strikes against me, according to about all organized religions. I am denied American Civil rights, and targeted among the general society as a person without human rights because I do not follow the mores of society.
After reading about him and his acceptance of most people except the top %5, I think he might be quite upset about the state of the current world.
Organized religion is a very dangerous concept.

And, your perspective on the Resurrection is?.

[john.a]

Roman Catholicism does believe in the resurrection of the body - and a literal one. It the only thing that makes redemption and suffering make sense within the context of Our Lord's death, suffering and resurrection. Our Lord is the new Adam, the God who is the spiritual progenitor of a new humanity. I think a symbolic or metaphorical resurrection questions our Lord's own literal resurrection. Why is it important for the Second Person of the Trinity to be in heaven em-bodied? Why not just die and then have Your Divinity rise to heaven? There is clearly something inherently holy and sacrosanct about the human body. God declared that it was "good" in the very beginning and God makes no mistakes.

[David19]

Originally Posted by john.a

Roman Catholicism does believe in the resurrection of the body - and a literal one. It the only thing that makes redemption and suffering make sense within the context of Our Lord's death, suffering and resurrection. Our Lord is the new Adam, the God who is the spiritual progenitor of a new humanity. I think a symbolic or metaphorical resurrection questions our Lord's own literal resurrection. Why is it important for the Second Person of the Trinity to be in heaven em-bodied? Why not just die and then have Your Divinity rise to heaven? There is clearly something inherently holy and sacrosanct about the human body. God declared that it was "good" in the very beginning and God makes no mistakes.

Thanks for adding that, although, I have a question, if you don't mind, does the Catholic Church, or anyone, state when the resurrection will happen, like what would happen if in 5 billion years, when the sun was about to go boom, the resurrection still didn't happen? (I'm not saying that as an attack on beliefs, but, I'm just curious, as I find it a very interesting idea ).

[john.a]

Originally Posted by David19

Thanks for adding that, although, I have a question, if you don't mind, does the Catholic Church, or anyone, state when the resurrection will happen, like what would happen if in 5 billion years, when the sun was about to go boom, the resurrection still didn't happen? (I'm not saying that as an attack on beliefs, but, I'm just curious, as I find it a very interesting idea ).

No, the resurrection of the body, like the end of times is not predicted by orthodox Christianity. The Bible indicates that only God knows and no one else.

Within the context of a Creator God, somehow the idea of a sun exploding is very little encumbrance to His plans for the resurrection. I mean it could be anything. The sun might NOT explode. Or the resurrection might occur on another planet and the tiny particles that made up our bodies that were burned apart are put back together. Or that our bodies are simply made anew with completely new particles made by God. This is one of those questions that is complete for the amusement of our thoughts and no definite answer is really available. Scripture, Tradition and Church remain silent and so the human mind can rest on this issue: there is no answer.

[David19]

Originally Posted by john.a

No, the resurrection of the body, like the end of times is not predicted by orthodox Christianity. The Bible indicates that only God knows and no one else.

Within the context of a Creator God, somehow the idea of a sun exploding is very little encumbrance to His plans for the resurrection. I mean it could be anything. The sun might NOT explode. Or the resurrection might occur on another planet and the tiny particles that made up our bodies that were burned apart are put back together. Or that our bodies are simply made anew with completely new particles made by God. This is one of those questions that is complete for the amusement of our thoughts and no definite answer is really available. Scripture, Tradition and Church remain silent and so the human mind can rest on this issue: there is no answer.

Thanks for explaining it .