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The Global Warming Hype
At first this topic will appear to belong in Real Science, but the intent is to discuss the political and personal opinions regarding the subject matter, Global Warming.
Over the past decade perhaps longer; global warming has been a bit of a contraversal topic; recently on this forum there have been a few threads devoted to this, and in each case there has been a variety of opinions expressed. Ranging from support of the popular theory to condemnation of of; for a range of reasons - some are valid, others illustrate an acute misunderstanding of how the majority of scientists working the fields of Climate Change arrived to the idea that the most likely cause of global warming is the development of industry. So boys and girls, here is the evidence involved with the theory of Global Warming. The global average air temperature near the Earth's surface rose 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 ± 0.32 °F) during the hundred years ending in 2005. "most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-twentieth century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations" ~ IPCC Natural phenomena such as solar variation combined with volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect from 1950 onward. Human Land Use. Deforestation: 66% of CO2 emissions over the last 250 years have resulted from burning fossil fuels, 33% have resulted from changes in land use, primarily deforestation. For those that do not know, forests are not just there to look pretty; plant life act's like "air scrubbers" or filters, absorbing carbon dioxide and reducing the levels of greenhouse gases released into the atmosphere. Include the instances of biomass burnings that frequently accompany deforestation and you also get aerosols. Terrestrial Albedo: The albedo of an object is the extent to which it diffusely reflects light from the sun. It is therefore a more specific form of the term reflectivity. Albedo is defined as the ratio of diffusely reflected to incident electromagnetic radiation. Which leads to Radiative force, the warming and cooling of an area. What does this mean? It means Cities collect heat and warm the surrounding areas - due to the large quantities of cement, metal, glass and asphalt. Livestock and land use: 70% of all land used for agriculture is used for liverstock, or 30% of non-ice covered land. 18% of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions are attributed to livestock and livestock-related activities.
Aerosols: These little bastards are fun, the villian in so many senerios, small particles or droplets suspended in the atmosphere. They can be responsible for warming AND cooling, but where do they come from? Well here are some the cheif hometowns:
---- "Anthropogenic warming of the climate system is widespread and can be detected in temperature observations taken at the surface, in the free atmosphere and in the oceans. Evidence of the effect of external influences, both anthropogenic and natural, on the climate system has continued to accumulate since the TAR [Third Assessment Report]." There are external and internal phenomena, such as solar variations and volcanic activity; but the evidence suggests that human activity is responsible for the majority of the greenhouse effect. Evidence for this conclusion includes:
----- THIS BIT IS IMPORTANT Detection vs. attribution: Detection of a signal requires demonstrating that an observed change is statistically significantly different from that which can be explained by natural internal variability. Attribution requires demonstrating that a signal is:
Detection does not imply attribution, and is easier than attribution. Unequivocal attribution would require controlled experiments with multiple copies of the climate system, which is not possible. Attribution, as described above, can therefore only be done within some margin of error. For example, the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report says "it is extremely likely that human activities have exerted a substantial net warming influence on climate since 1750," where "extremely likely" indicates a probability greater than 95%. Following the publication of the Third Assessment Report (TAR) in 2001, "detection and attribution" of climate change has remained an active area of research. Some important results include:
Ice Core Records: Ice core record shows that on some occasions temperature starts rising hundreds of years before CO2 increases. Such results confirm that the relationship between CO2 and climate can go in both directions: changes in CO2 concentrations affect climate, while changes in climate can affect CO2 concentrations. They indicate that he earth had gone through many climate changes over its history, as result of a few natural factors; solar activity, change in orbit, volcanic activity and so on. But the point is, that since the beginning of the industrial age, CO2 levels greatly exceed the range found in the ice core data. Isotopic analysis of atmospheric CO2 confirms that fossil fuel burning is the source of most of the CO2 increase, unlike during prior interglacial periods. ----- Reference:
---- So, why do people believe that scientists just make this stuff up? What could there agenda possibly be? There is little money in cutting down on greenhouse gas emissions, and little thanks for possibly heralding the end of the world as we know it. The bigger question I have to wonder, is why some people are so hell bent on insisting that nothing is wrong and our pollution isn't doing this. Is it personal?
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Wow, great post.
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Denying global warming also is a nice guilt-free way for people to cheerfully drive enormous SUV's, leave the lights on, buy enormous amounts of things they don't need, and throw out huge amounts of crap into the environment without worrying about it. Many people are comfortable in the consumerist lifestyle - they simply don't want to change or give up the trappings of overconsumption.
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well a lot of people tend to dismiss it on more or less ideological reasons, they don't think industry should be regulated so they dismiss the need to regulate it. Or they don't really care about regulation but don't think businesses should have to spend money on it. Also it doesn't help that people like Al Gore make this whole thing over sensationalized which causes people to think that Global Warming is just a political trick to get people to vote a certain way.
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Because if humans caused it, then they'd have to put down the keys to their hummers or else feel guilty about contributing to the End Of The World As We Know It.
That's why the opposition side has morphed since about 1990 from "No such thing!" to "Maybe, but even if does exist, it's insignificant and will affect nothing!" to "Ok, it exists, and it might be big, but it's not our fault!"
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And, as an afterthought, may I copy that post with proper attribution onto my blog? I've been trying to find a concise, reference-filled global warming prior for a a few weeks now.
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I wouldn't call my post concise, go ahead and use it.
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I would say that some of us remain convinced that there is MORE to global warming than CO2 emissions. There have been times in earth's history that it was MUCH warmer than it is today, as little as two thousand years ago.
And I don't think ANYONE is arguing that pollution is a good thing. I recycle. I don't leave lights on. I certainly don't drive an SUV. And I completely oppose coal-burning plants, which contribute probably the majority of CO2. I support hybrid vehicles, and will support a reasonable alternative fuel source such as CNG (not crackpot scams like ethanol and hydrogen). It's just that some of us don't believe that our pollution is the only thing causing the earth to warm. And I don't think that's an unreasonable position.
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Reality has a liberal bias.
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Well said.
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